944 turbos all types suddenly appearing for sale

[ukmastiff]

Has anyone else noticed that in the last few weeks , all number of 944 turbos have appeared for sale. I don't know if its the usual ' depressed economy' rubbish or just end of summer looming ( what summer was that ?) but either way loads of them.

I dont remember this many popping up in any other August.

The anomoly I have noticed is that people with pretty tired often early turbos are asking 4 to 4500 and top end very well looked after ones are up to 7. I genuinely think my old well kept 220 was a good buy for its new owner looking at today. Not a massive gap really from top end to 'you'll need to spend loads' is there.

I'm totally ignoring dealers who buy one for 5 and try to advertise it for 9,000 they are just jokers to my mind, I just look at good honest private sales.

I am in the market for one but want to buy with no loans and anyway am not willing to pay 7,000 for my 3rd car / fun car. This is a shame as there are a couple of crackers out there for 6 to 7 but i dont see them going up from 6 or 7 over the next few years and dont like to lose my hard earned cash []

If one of the crackers comes down to around 5 that will be a different matter []

Mas

 

[Copperman05]

6-7K for a cracking 944 Turbo is a classic car bargain imo...


Edd

 

[ukmastiff]

Totally agree in principal edd !
However porocks one was 7, then 6 , now 5 and still unsold . Not exactly a dog is it ?

 

[simkin911]

ORIGINAL: ukmastiff

Totally agree in principal edd !
However porocks one was 7, then 6 , now 5 and still unsold . Not exactly a dog is it ?

Yes, quite but the advert made / makes reference to a number of potentially significant or expensive issues for future work. This won't help the car achieve top price IMO. Looks like a nice car though.

 

[Copperman05]

ORIGINAL: simkin911

ORIGINAL: ukmastiff

Totally agree in principal edd !
However porocks one was 7, then 6 , now 5 and still unsold . Not exactly a dog is it ?

Yes, quite but the advert made / makes reference to a number of potentially significant or expensive issues for future work. This won't help the car achieve top price IMO. Looks like a nice car though.

Its also trying a little too hard to be a Ferrari?[&:]

Edd

 

[poprock]

You're all making fair points!

I knocked my price right down to try an sell quickly - it's not going any lower. I'll just keep it if it doesn't bring in decent money ... after all, I would rather not have to sell it at all.

 

[craiginuk]

"The anomoly I have noticed is that people with pretty tired often early turbos are asking 4 to 4500 and top end very well looked after ones are up to 7. I genuinely think my old well kept 220 was a good buy for its new owner looking at today. Not a massive gap really from top end to 'you'll need to spend loads' is there. "

I agree! That said i have had to do some fairly big stuff on her - belts, steering rack, some suspension bits and oil leaks. All adds to the price especially if being done in a garage and not diy. Not recoverable if I were to sell but has made her better. Proof once again that there is no such thing as a Cheap Porsche.

 

[Ewan]

Buyers are thin on the ground right now, especially in August when everyones on holiday, so the unfortunate few that are forced to sell are likely to get low figures. But if you can find a properly sorted turbo for less than £7k I say go for it. Several have sold for over £10k this year, so the really good ones are likely to be out of your preferred budget. But you should still be able to get a damn good car for what you do want to spend.

There's nothing to stop you putting in some low bids - you never know the position of the seller and there's no harm in asking.

But from what i can see, prices have risen slightly over the last two years and in my opinion this trend is likely to continue. The 80's are back, and good examples of a wide selection of cars from 205 gti's to Quattro's to Countach's are all fetching increasingly high prices. And 944 turbos are following along.

 

[andrew_churcher]

944 Turbos look great in Black as well. If it were me I would pay slightly more and get the better car. (well you would hope its the better car). Really are a bargain and would love one.

 

[Hilux]

The anomoly I have noticed is that people with pretty tired often early turbos are asking 4 to 4500 and top end very well looked after ones are up to 7. I genuinely think my old well kept 220 was a good buy for its new owner looking at today. Not a massive gap really from top end to 'you'll need to spend loads' is there.

I knocked my price right down to try an sell quickly - it's not going any lower. I'll just keep it if it doesn't bring in decent money ... after all, I would rather not have to sell it at all.

Potential buyers in the market to scratch a Porsche itch consider 944`s as old cars and are viewed by some as a 'sort of Porsche' Therefore you have to understand that early Boxsters with lower mileage than most 944`s are considered by the public at large to be a reasonably reliable reasonably priced cheap to run Porsche and therefore worth a punt as they are a "lot of car for the money"

Amazingly you can buy a Boxster for £4000 on P/Heads and even less out there in the market.

Buyers in the know and looking for a well sorted 944T might pay a premium but the competition is fierce with bargains galore to be had out there.

I had difficulty getting over £6K for mine about 3 years ago and it had been very properly sorted and there wasnt a credit crunch (1st classic I lost money on - ho hum)

 

[pauljmcnulty]

I don't know if its the usual ' depressed economy' rubbish

So you don't think that there's a depressed economy? I know everyone has olympic-fever at the moment, but there's no getting away from bad economic news and it'll be front-page again after the endless games coverage ends. Surely you have to agree that, for almost all buyers, an old Porsche is a discretionary purchase, and a potential money-pit. Not something many people would commit to when the future is uncertain.

Less buyers, more cars for sale (not just old 944s, but cheap newer machinery), and you have a depressed market IMO. [8|] That does mean the serious buyer does more research, and buys the best, so it's doubly bad news for poorer cars. Hence a widening price gap, or the bottom-end cars just being scrapped and not sold.

 

[Diver944]

ORIGINAL: pauljmcnulty

the bottom-end cars just being scrapped and not sold.

Keep an eye on howmanyleft.co.uk over the next few years and you will see the numbers falling every year. Only 243 Turbos currently taxed and on the road

http://howmanyleft.co.uk/?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=porsche+944+turbo

 

[PSH]

ORIGINAL: Diver944

ORIGINAL: pauljmcnulty

the bottom-end cars just being scrapped and not sold.

Keep an eye on howmanyleft.co.uk over the next few years and you will see the numbers falling every year. Only 243 Turbos currently taxed and on the road

http://howmanyleft.co.uk/?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=porsche+944+turbo

I hope to add to the numbers next year if I can get mine back on the road so the numbers may not go down. Value of any car is always difficult to quantify when talking of cars like ours. I do believe that the Turbo will one day realise its true worth although I have no idea when that may happen. The chances of me wanting to sell my car are just about zero, I would say it would never happen but one never knows what curve ball life may throw at you. In the meantime I'll keep spending a small fortune on her because she's worth every penny to me and I've spent an awful lot of pennies..

Pete

 

[George Elliott]

You're all making fair points!

I knocked my price right down to try an sell quickly - it's not going any lower. I'll just keep it if it doesn't bring in decent money

Pop,
there is another theory, if it wont sell put the price up. When people cant afford something it makes them want it. If they can afford it, sometimes they want something else. It will only work if the car is a real good one - people also think something thats cheap has something wrong with it.

Put it "on Paragon's forecourt" with a well worded story about the original Porsche Cup car heritage and ask £12k for it.

Not taking anything from others comments, loads of 951's being broken for parts (seem to make more money that way??) and easier sell probably. But that will play to current owners favour one day...

Agree with Paul too, the large 996 & boxter population from the past 15 boom years are a major distraction, and when people expect remote door locking, cheap servicing, rust free sills, - and half of them have no intention of using the car in anger anyway, the 951 is quite specialist.

It will become a cult car as numbers continue to dwindle.

IMO[8|]
George
944t

 

[944 man]

The phrase 'use in anger' reminds me of my own current conundrum.

I have an old 944 Turbo and in my garage I have a full bolt in Safety Devices rollcage, a pair of old but unused Sparco Ultras, a GRP bonnet and a full set of plastic windows, including the hatch.

Now most of these additions could be removed, but the rollcage will always leave its mark, as the welded floor plates wont be easy to remove.

What will this do to the desirability of my car, both now and over the longer term?

 

[Frenchy]

Holes correctly repaired and protected from corrosion would only give the car provenance IMO, Just realised i own 2 very rare cars now, 248 registered as on the road.
Getting to be rare old beastys now !

 

[edh]

ORIGINAL: 944 man

The phrase 'use in anger' reminds me of my own current conundrum.

I have an old 944 Turbo and in my garage I have a full bolt in Safety Devices rollcage, a pair of old but unused Sparco Ultras, a GRP bonnet and a full set of plastic windows, including the hatch.

Now most of these additions could be removed, but the rollcage will always leave its mark, as the welded floor plates wont be easy to remove.

What will this do to the desirability of my car, both now and over the longer term?

I don't think you really need to worry too much Simon........... If you want a collectors item i think you're starting from the wrong place. Anyway they should be used and enjoyed, without fretting over future values.

FWIW I wouldn't put a full cage in a road going 944 though - just from a safety perspective. It's one more thing to bash your head against in an accident

 

[9212PT]

I feel i bought mine at the right time !!! []

 

[944 man]

ORIGINAL: edh

ORIGINAL: 944 man

The phrase 'use in anger' reminds me of my own current conundrum.

I have an old 944 Turbo and in my garage I have a full bolt in Safety Devices rollcage, a pair of old but unused Sparco Ultras, a GRP bonnet and a full set of plastic windows, including the hatch.

Now most of these additions could be removed, but the rollcage will always leave its mark, as the welded floor plates wont be easy to remove.

What will this do to the desirability of my car, both now and over the longer term?

I don't think you really need to worry too much Simon........... If you want a collectors item i think you're starting from the wrong place. Anyway they should be used and enjoyed, without fretting over future values.

FWIW I wouldn't put a full cage in a road going 944 though - just from a safety perspective. It's one more thing to bash your head against in an accident

The plan is to mount the full cage Ed, and then remove the front and door bars, refitting them only whet theyre needed. The lugs on the main hoop will remain of course, but I intended the seats to be mounted sufficiently far forward to clear this.

Obviously, I dont think that my car will ever be a collectors item, but Im reluctant to make make it overly niche / unsaleable due to the adaptions. I dont have much option with the cage, as modified rules require it. The PCGB is a little more flexible, but if youre building a car its better to make it eligible for as many different disciplines as possible.

 

[CarreraRSR]

ORIGINAL: 944 man

The plan is to mount the full cage Ed, and then remove the front and door bars, refitting them only whet theyre needed. The lugs on the main hoop will remain of course, but I intended the seats to be mounted sufficiently far forward to clear this.

I decided to put my door bars in after all front and rear SD cage was fitted and interior was completed. A royal pain. I had to remove the front cage and l remove most of the bolts from the rear cage to get the door bar plate under the rear cage front feet. I too planned to remove and refit the front cage as and when required but now its in I can't be arsed with the faff again.

As for your head to be clear of the top hoops. Make sure the seat is mounted as low as poss. Still not ideal but OK. You can forget about fitting adjustable runners/lifters imho.