944 Turbo - 23,000 miles !!!
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924nutter
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Absolutely talking out of the lower rear orifice. I bought my turbo cab when it had 27,000 miles on the clock, two years ago and it is not the chronic asthmatic wreck that many on this forum would have you believe. Many who have seen it at Conbury House on display, or seen it whistle past them as a red blur, including "tolchy" in the loaner Boxster S will know it is the real deal.
Properly maintained as mine has been, with regular oil, belt and fluid changes, there is nothing to touch it in that category. Any 44 turbo is not for really regular daily driving as its1980s style off boost characteristics leave a little bit to be desired, but you'd better be hanging on tight when it reaches 3,000 rpm. I wouldn't buy it because after my white 928 I have gone off white cars but if you can live with the colour then that is a lot of car for the money though in these economic times based on what I paid for my 27,000 miler, I would say that 15,000 is a bit optimistic, I would have thought 13,000 more realistic.
Properly maintained as mine has been, with regular oil, belt and fluid changes, there is nothing to touch it in that category. Any 44 turbo is not for really regular daily driving as its1980s style off boost characteristics leave a little bit to be desired, but you'd better be hanging on tight when it reaches 3,000 rpm. I wouldn't buy it because after my white 928 I have gone off white cars but if you can live with the colour then that is a lot of car for the money though in these economic times based on what I paid for my 27,000 miler, I would say that 15,000 is a bit optimistic, I would have thought 13,000 more realistic.
sawood12
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Sorry Mr Nutter, I have to disagree. A turbo makes a fantastic daily driver. Mine certainly provides me with great pleasure to use it regularly and in all weathers - it really puts you in a good mood to start your day. Off boost it is alot slower than on boost but it still has motion and is probably as responsive/quick as a typical hatchback (like my 1.8ltr Focus for example). I have no probs whatsoever driving in traffic and on the dual carridgeways it is great as at 70/80mph the gearing puts you right in the lower part of the boost zone, so no need to be dropping to 4th when you need a quick burst of speed. And in anycase I'd rather have a car that isn't at its best in traffic, but has something special to give once on the open road than the other way around.
Unfortunately this car is destined to be a garage queen. Who's going to pay £15k for it and use it only for it to devalue £10k or more in a matter of a coule of years? It's a crying shame. I've seen somewhere that Ferry Porsche was once quoted as saying "It saddens me. My cars are made to be driven, not polished". Never a truer word said.
Unfortunately this car is destined to be a garage queen. Who's going to pay £15k for it and use it only for it to devalue £10k or more in a matter of a coule of years? It's a crying shame. I've seen somewhere that Ferry Porsche was once quoted as saying "It saddens me. My cars are made to be driven, not polished". Never a truer word said.
DavidL
Active member
I would have to agree with Scott. I have no issues with my 250T for day to day driving - I quite like the dual personality thing - under 3K for pootling and over when the hot hatch behind me wants past and then wonders where I went!
Unless there is history of all the usual parts and fluids being changed despite not being used I wouldn't be keen to have it and definitely not at such a massive premium - it's still 20 years old. Give me a used one any day.
Unless there is history of all the usual parts and fluids being changed despite not being used I wouldn't be keen to have it and definitely not at such a massive premium - it's still 20 years old. Give me a used one any day.
sawood12
New member
Thom, is that your new Big Bore exhaust? Looks a real pain in the ar$e!
Is any car nice to drive in traffic? Now that my boy racer and road rage days are long behind me and i'm in the process of growing older, a little wiser, but much more cool headed, when I hit traffic I just sit back, call up some decent tunes on the iPod and chill out. I've been driving long enough to realise that trying to jump into gaps, constantly second guessing the traffic and changing lanes and getting uptight doesn't get you to your destination any quicker and you end up raising your blood pressure and getting all P'd off with the world and everything in it. So it is irrelevant how any car drives if you are sitting in traffic. Best to sit patiently in it, get through it and make up your time once the way clears. For that approach a 944T does the job as well as any other car on the planet.
Is any car nice to drive in traffic? Now that my boy racer and road rage days are long behind me and i'm in the process of growing older, a little wiser, but much more cool headed, when I hit traffic I just sit back, call up some decent tunes on the iPod and chill out. I've been driving long enough to realise that trying to jump into gaps, constantly second guessing the traffic and changing lanes and getting uptight doesn't get you to your destination any quicker and you end up raising your blood pressure and getting all P'd off with the world and everything in it. So it is irrelevant how any car drives if you are sitting in traffic. Best to sit patiently in it, get through it and make up your time once the way clears. For that approach a 944T does the job as well as any other car on the planet.
A good mate of mine bought one a couple of years ago, with 30 odd k on the clock, original,time warp condition, Hartech were blown away when they saw it along with another well known tuner who offered to buy it.
It has never missed a beat and genuinely looks a couple of years old,though it does get used a bit more now than it used to be.
Load of bollocks about low mileage trouble it depends who has owned them and how they have been sored/maintained !
I would snap his hand off for 10k !
It has never missed a beat and genuinely looks a couple of years old,though it does get used a bit more now than it used to be.
Load of bollocks about low mileage trouble it depends who has owned them and how they have been sored/maintained !
I would snap his hand off for 10k !
TTM
Well-known member
Yes Scott, fitment was a bit of an issue and emissions wouldn't pass MOT but it sure makes a nice deep rumble.
You'd certainly be surprised to hear my '95 1.2 Clio makes for a very nice drive in traffic. The steering is a delight (it's got PAS), pedals are just stiff enough and the gearchange feels almost better than the 944's, if definitely overall feeling far less rock-solid. (please don't tell everyone but I confess to having had lately more fun in it on some country roads than with either of my 944 [&:]).
An S2 or any given 944 NA would remain far ahead of the turbo in terms of driver-friendliness, IMO.
It honestly would take me a good dose of self-negation to convince myself the turbo is as good as any other car in heavy everyday traffic.
You'd certainly be surprised to hear my '95 1.2 Clio makes for a very nice drive in traffic. The steering is a delight (it's got PAS), pedals are just stiff enough and the gearchange feels almost better than the 944's, if definitely overall feeling far less rock-solid. (please don't tell everyone but I confess to having had lately more fun in it on some country roads than with either of my 944 [&:]).
An S2 or any given 944 NA would remain far ahead of the turbo in terms of driver-friendliness, IMO.
It honestly would take me a good dose of self-negation to convince myself the turbo is as good as any other car in heavy everyday traffic.
peanut
Active member
Just because your 'mate' didn't have any problems with his car doesn't necessarily mean this car would be trouble free. There are lots of rubber bits that perish over a 20 year period.
may i respecfully suggest you moderate your language .
If you cannot make your point without using foul language It would suggest that your intellect is as limited as your knowledge of Porsche
924nutter
PCGB Member
Sawood12, I paid £12,500 for mine on a "K" plate so I think 13,000 is closer to the true "worth", as I said before.
Actually I took mine for a 400 mile tour of Dartmoor with the rest of region 19 last year and overall I have done 8,000 in it because it is such a lovely car to drive. You are right it does have motion off boost, but the on boost performance creates the perception that it is flat off boost but of course it isn't that bad. To be fair though I have not driven it since the salt started going down on the roads for the winter, say about three weeks. The only real issue is morons (you know who you are) who overtake you on the inside when you are in a snake of traffic waiting for a little bit of coutesy, in dark green M reg proton 1500s with an exhaust loud enough to wake the dead but which probably slowed the car down due to the extra weight. Anyway keep your eye out for my 924turbo project which will have modifed cam, intercooler and skimmed block for what I hope will be 22O and a lot less lag.
Actually I took mine for a 400 mile tour of Dartmoor with the rest of region 19 last year and overall I have done 8,000 in it because it is such a lovely car to drive. You are right it does have motion off boost, but the on boost performance creates the perception that it is flat off boost but of course it isn't that bad. To be fair though I have not driven it since the salt started going down on the roads for the winter, say about three weeks. The only real issue is morons (you know who you are) who overtake you on the inside when you are in a snake of traffic waiting for a little bit of coutesy, in dark green M reg proton 1500s with an exhaust loud enough to wake the dead but which probably slowed the car down due to the extra weight. Anyway keep your eye out for my 924turbo project which will have modifed cam, intercooler and skimmed block for what I hope will be 22O and a lot less lag.
sawood12
New member
Well nothing in life is absolute however it is just simply a fact of life that any car (or machine for that matter) left idle for a long period of time will probably develop problems. Bearing dry out, seals dry out, belts become kinked, moisture and condensation builds up on the internal mechanical surfaces and corrosion creeps in, lubricating fluids change properties and degrade, shock absorber seals dry out and stick and pick up damage when suddenly used, so on and so forth. When aero engines are to be left alone for more than 30 days they have to have all the internal fluids replaced with inhibiting fluid, and sealed in a hermetically sealed bag due to all the reasons mentioned above, and these things are designed to withstand far more extreme conditions that cars.
Also with old low mileage cars their start up to miles ratio is going to be much higher than normal as it would have been subjected to alot more shorter journeys, so for equivalent mileage the engine wear will be worse (granted over 20-odd k miles this is a minor factor, but accellarated wear just causes a higher rate of wear going forward). So a 20yr old car with 20-oddk miles will represent more risk than a car with higher mileage.
Assuming you want to buy a car to actually drive and you had a £14k buget then in my view you are much better off buying a good say, 80k - 100+k miler with a complete and impeccable service and maintenance history for say £6/£7k (still very strong money for a 944T in the current climate so should bag you a real peach) and keep the rest aside for any work that needs doing and trackdays.
Also with old low mileage cars their start up to miles ratio is going to be much higher than normal as it would have been subjected to alot more shorter journeys, so for equivalent mileage the engine wear will be worse (granted over 20-odd k miles this is a minor factor, but accellarated wear just causes a higher rate of wear going forward). So a 20yr old car with 20-oddk miles will represent more risk than a car with higher mileage.
Assuming you want to buy a car to actually drive and you had a £14k buget then in my view you are much better off buying a good say, 80k - 100+k miler with a complete and impeccable service and maintenance history for say £6/£7k (still very strong money for a 944T in the current climate so should bag you a real peach) and keep the rest aside for any work that needs doing and trackdays.
I have to agree with Scott's last post. While I don't necessarily think a low mileage car will be a nightmare, but I absolutely think there's a good chance it would go through a period of niggles if it were pressed into regular use. Regardless why pay over the odds for something because it hasn't been used and then either lose a fortune by using it or feel you also can't use it?
A pet hate of mine is supposed specialists who say things are the wrong colour. The interior is Cobalt blue, not Marine blue. If they can't tell the difference they are blind and if they don't know the name then just call it blue [
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A pet hate of mine is supposed specialists who say things are the wrong colour. The interior is Cobalt blue, not Marine blue. If they can't tell the difference they are blind and if they don't know the name then just call it blue [
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TTM
Well-known member
While I agree an extremely low mileage car might go into a series of issues, I am not certain the person who is going to pay for a very nice and apparently unomlested example such as this one would even consider using it as an everyday car.
I see very nice original LHD examples for sale for much more money than this one and I wouldn't mind having one of them in the garage only to look at it when I don't feel like going for a drive or fiddling with my tool kit []
I see very nice original LHD examples for sale for much more money than this one and I wouldn't mind having one of them in the garage only to look at it when I don't feel like going for a drive or fiddling with my tool kit [
]LittleMissSpeedy
New member
Fen,
The original Porsche factory details for that car showing original factory paint and trim codes do in fact show . . . Alpinweiss (Alpine White) with Marineblau (Marine Blue) . . . so I guess the dealer is right after all !
The original Porsche factory details for that car showing original factory paint and trim codes do in fact show . . . Alpinweiss (Alpine White) with Marineblau (Marine Blue) . . . so I guess the dealer is right after all !
MarkK
Well-known member
I think there is someone out there who will relish the idea of having one of if not the the freshest condition 944 turbo out there,you only need one person to buy it after all,the interior is really mint from the pics,white paint is very cool at the minute, if it has been stored nicely(dry garage) and serviced i reckon its a good buy(after the obligatory negotiations) for the right person that sees the value of the car,maybe someone who has owned one before and always promised themselves one more 944 turbo,maybe Tiff N might buy it[]
]ORIGINAL: LittleMissSpeedy
Fen,
The original Porsche factory details for that car showing original factory paint and trim codes do in fact show . . . Alpinweiss (Alpine White) with Marineblau (Marine Blue) . . . so I guess the dealer is right after all !
It looks like Cobalt in the photo, but then my work monitor is notoriously bad with colour. If it is indeed Marine then I take it the same details confirm that it is not a 1991? A MY'90 car registered a bit late I imagine.
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