40 minute races for German Cars

[Andy97]

The CSCC are to build on the success of their "Future Classics" series for Pre-1990 Sports, Saloons & GT Cars and introduce a new series for 2011. The series, to be known as "Deutsche Marque" will be for Post-1990 German car makes and will feature 3 classes: A - Up to 2499cc, B - 2500cc to 2999cc and up to 1999cc Turbocharged cars and C - Over 3000cc.

The series has come about due to the large demand that the club has had for post 1990 cars to be able to race in the existing "Future Classics" series, the majority of requests being from German car owners. It wasn't possible to add a newer class into FC as the grids were already full so a new series has been created.

The usual CSCC stipulations of standard size and shape body shell, no sequential gear boxes, original engines to type and List 1A or 1B tyres will be maintained. Races will run over 40 minutes with a compulsory pit stop for one or two drivers.

CSCC hope to attract owners of the larger engined VW Golfs, Ventos, Corrados & Beetles etc. along with Porsche 968s, 993s, 996s, Boxsters, Audi TT & A4s etc, BMW 3 & 5 series and similar Mercedes (although Porsche GT3s won't be allowed....too quick!). The club will display a "Deutsche Marque" car on its stand at the Autosport International show in January and further details of the series will be available on the CSCC Website shortly.

 

[Diver944]

Sounds a perfect series for the 968 Turbo RS

 

[Andy97]

It would be except the small problem that the series has a capacity limit of 2 litres for turbo cars. Not my choice, but there you go. The fear was that Porsche turbos would dominate. Still, an ideal series for 968s, 964s, 993s, Boxsters, 996s, 997s, & 928 GTS.

 

[Paz]

Hmmm I wonder how well an ex Vento Challenge car would fare in the Deutsch Marque series . . ?

What are the rules for engine/brakes/chassis tuning?

 

[Andy97]

ORIGINAL: Paz

Hmmm I wonder how well an ex Vento Challenge car would fare in the Deutsch Marque series . . ?

What are the rules for engine/brakes/chassis tuning?

Paz, a Vento Challenge car would go very well, I suspect, in Class B and is just the sort of car this series is designed to attract. The car can be tuned/ developed/ engineered as much as you like within the limits of standard size & shape bodyshell, original engine & gearbox type, size of wallet. However, having said that CSCC tends not to attract the real cheque book racers as it does not run championships & the club attracts as many grassroots racers as it does wealthy guys. One chap ran a Toyota Supra in FC thgius year which had a bolt in cage & all its leather interior!

 

[DivineE]

Now when they say original engine.. what if the original engine was running a not quite original power output?

Also no GT3 but no mention of the turbo [] realistically I din't think that's going to happen though lol

 

[Andy97]

ORIGINAL: DivineE

Now when they say original engine.. what if the original engine was running a not quite original power output?

Also no GT3 but no mention of the turbo [] realistically I din't think that's going to happen though lol

No turbos allowed above 2 litres, though. I actually wanted the limit to be 2.3 litres to allow the 5 pot audi quattros & S2s in but was outvoted.

Engines can be race tuned/ developed/ modified so you can have an original to type engine that produces more than its original Bhp. For eg, My Toyota race saloon that I use in the sister CSCC Tin Tops series has a Toyota 3S-GE engine & probably produced around 140 Bhp as standard. It now produces about 200 Bhp on throttle bodies & MOTEC engine management. It has forged pistons but standard valves (as was mandated in the series regs that it originally ran to, although I might fit high lift cams in the future). Hope that helps

 

[DivineE]

ORIGINAL: Andy97

My Toyota race saloon that I use in the sister CSCC Tin Tops series has a Toyota 3S-GE engine & probably produced around 140 Bhp as standard.

Not the famous AE86 is it? I would love one of those.

p.s. thanks but pity about the quattros, that would have really improved interest as they have a big following.

 

[Andy97]

ORIGINAL: DivineE

ORIGINAL: Andy97

My Toyota race saloon that I use in the sister CSCC Tin Tops series has a Toyota 3S-GE engine & probably produced around 140 Bhp as standard.

Not the famous AE86 is it? I would love one of those.

p.s. thanks but pity about the quattros, that would have really improved interest as they have a big following.

My Toyota is a Super Production Carina Saloon, originally built for the NZ "Touring Car" series (note - Group N+, not Super Tourer regs).

I agree about the quattro/ S"s being discounted vut if we could get some interest from 2 or 3 owners it may be possible to persuade the club to open things out slightly.

 

[MarkK]

So no 944 turbos even if they were 91 models..................?

 

[Andy97]

Mark, talk to the Office about that - I argued differently, initially I wanted any turbos in subject to normal equivelancy or their own seperate class. You still have Future Classics.

 

[Paz]

I doubt an Ur Quattie or S2 would be any good on tight twisty circuits . . . a finely-tuned 5-pot would sound awesome though.

Mark, how about buying a nice 924 Carrera GT for the Deutsch Marque . . ?? [8D]

 

[Neil Haughey]

I would imagine an E36 M3 evo would go very well in this series. Fairly cheap to buy these days.

Something like a 993 RSR would be pretty unstoppable too.

 

[MarkK]

Mentioned this on Ten Tenths race forum but if the rule about original headlights being fitted stays, not many 968s will be joining in from Porsche club anyways as nobody has them fitted.. because they weigh as much as the moon,most people have stickers for lights,this rule needs to be reconsidered I reckon.

 

[Neil Haughey]

Well we are OK Mark but do any of the front engined cars in the club championship have headlights? I suspect very few if any. I was very lucky with my car is it came out about 30 to 40 Kg lighter then I was expecting, interestingly the reason why I originally specified it to have headlights, horn, indicators etc. was to comply with the Castle Combe production sports car regs that in short say the car should be such that you could in theory drive it home + they say all these items must remain. Wasn't until a bit latter I realised that whilst their entry fees are low the races are very very short so not much VFM in terms of pounds per minute but local.

 

[Andy97]

Mark, Neil, I'm working on the Office wrt the headlight issue! What the club really wants are for the Tin Top & Saloon type FC folks not to have cut outs instead of headlights for extra cooling or induction, & they want lights to be available for poor weather. I think that the current 944/968 arrangements are fine, as long as they retain the driving lights in the bumber, but I don't make the rules, but that's what I am trying to get the rest of the committee to recognise. Its an issue for Mag 7s, too, where many of the cars were built as race cars & not as road cars, so don't have front lights!

Something will be sorted, as we don't want to alienate people. Its a matter of getting an acceptable form of words in to the regs which satisfies everyone....& the blue book. I am sure that 944s/968s & TR7s etc will be fine for next year. bear with us!

 

[Andy97]

Mark, Neil et al. The headlight issue should now be resolved. 944s/ 968s etc will still be allowed to have their "pop up" lights replaced as long as they have suitable driving lights in th front bumper, ie as happens now. Bring 'em on.

 

[MarkK]

[]Sorted

 

[lali]

taking 2 cars to the races next year mark????

 

[MarkK]

Dunno exactly what/if at all for next year racewise,might even stay at home and take up a new quiet hobby..[]