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2.5 16v Turbo?

I did a bit more digging through some old books... Sad I know on a Friday night "" but the missus is away and it's my time to geek out in peace. [8|]

It seems the project was conceived as a marketing exercise prior to the 944 launch proper. However the decision by the factory to develop a dedicated 16v head cannot have been taken lightly.

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Camcover emblazoned "944 Le Mans"

The cylinder head itself bared no similarity to the later production version.
For all those camshaft-drive fact fans out there ^^ the neat twin belt pulley arrangement was patented by Audi/Porsche with prior art later cited against Yamaha. And can now be found in a large number of small VW/Audi petrol engines"¦.

The bottom end featured a special dry sump casting and belt-driven scavenge pump. Balancer shafts were fitted "" and subsequently carried over into production. Interestingly, Hans Mezger is quoted as saying the shafts gave a 5hp penalty. They tried taking them off, but without them the vibrations from the oversquare 4-banger were breaking components after just a few hours in racing conditions.

A KKK k28 turbocharger was mounted on the inlet side, in a very similar position to the production 944t and fed by a huge front-mounted intercooler.
With a plan to go for a win at Lemans, the engine was producing 510 bhp at just under 1.5bar during testing at Paul Ricard. However reliability around the block => gasket interface was proving to be an issue.

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Sadly plans for the GTP changed quite quickly after a decision to revive the 936 racers. The engine was downgraded to 1.3bar (450bhp) for reliability testing and finally 1.1 bar for the race giving 420bhp at 6200rpm matched to a (relatively low) 222 lb-ft of torque at 4600rpm.

In the end Ickx and and Bell won the race in a 936, with the 924 GTP driven to a respectable 7th by Jurgen Barth and Walter Rohrl. The car even won the award for the least time spent in the pits during the 1981 race distance.

Days after LeMans Porsche released news that a new model, the 944, would be released at the Frankfurt IAA the same year.
 

ORIGINAL: George Elliott

Folks, I appreciate all the info and views, the question originated from my 15yr old son who suffers from an unhealthy interest in 951's, I blame his mother. (for allowing his father to waste time and hard earned on 951's [8|])
Patrick, was not aware of the 2.6 cars, that would be a 944s turbo I guess.
George
944t

People sleeve them up or down to 2.6L for race classes over there George. The special ones wind out to 8000rpm. Perhaps higher.
The possibilities with a 16v head are quite interesting, but in all reality probably unnecessary. Even watching video at the track of my friend/mechanic in his
2.5L 8v with a Vitesse stage 3 kit, you can see he has plenty of torque and again in all probability, torque will triumph over hp/rpms more times than not.
Love to see more video of Lil to cement that thought. Even though I still harbour ideas of a pretty smart 16v build one day. I have another friend who is planning
on building a very special 2.6L 16v that will spin over 9000rpm. I hope that reaches fruition!
 
Patrick,
thanks, and amazing to think of those engines working upside down over there, and no oil starvation....[8|]

I guess whatever project gets done needs to be 8v. Perhaps the answer to the next detail is "how long is a piece of string", but for a 400hp - 360lb/ft road only car, do I go 2.5, 2.7 or 3.0L?

George
944t

 
That's ok George, we just put our dry sumps at the top of the engine! [:D]

In reality I don't think it's all that difficult to do a 16v. The same friend/mechanic has just done his 2nd turbo'd s2 motor.
Had to fabricate a couple of items to be sure but they seem to pull nicely from low down for the brief times I've been in their cars.
More results to come...

However, just bolting on a Vitesse or RogueAnt kit or something similar to a 2.5L 8v will net substantial results to 90%+ of most people on these forums.
 

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