1989 944 TURBO SE FORSALE!!!

[james palmer]

car now sold!! went back to Manchester!
many thanks

 

[GPF]

Hmmm,

Rare 1989 944 Turbo SE?

I don't think so - that car has a sunroof, so can't be a Turbo S (or SE as sometimes called), so it must just be a 1989 250bhp car - nothing rare about it.....

Having said that, it looks like it has some good features so good luck with the sale!

 

[scam75]

I thought all 250 turbo's, 89 on, were called turbo se or is that a myth? I have a non sunroof, my 90, 250 turbo. Is that an SE or does SE even exist at all?

We have:

Early turbo, up to 87 - 220bhp
turbo s, 88 only, 250bhp, silver rose mainly and no sunroof, m030, bigger brakes, lsd, hardened 1st+2nd gear, gbox oil cooler etc
Late turbo, 89 on, 250bhp, almost all S features although I think you had to spec M030, are these SE's or what?

Cheers

Stuart

 

[Suffolk944]

I thought likewise that post "S" 250BHP models are "SE's". I may have to change my sig !

 

[DavidL]

Bit harsh Graham!
I too would be inclined to say that post S 250s are SE models. Certainly I'm not aware of any other models for the late turbos.
Can't be all that many SE out there but maybe rare is pushing it a bit.
Looks a decent motor for the money.

 

[GPF]

ORIGINAL: Suffolk944

I thought likewise that post "S" 250BHP models are "SE's". I may have to change my sig !

What does in say in your logbook - or V5C as now call them.

Is far as I know, the 1988 limited edition "Turbo S" was called that worldwide, including here, but for some reason Porsche UK marketed it in adverts etc as an SE - the only country in the world to do so - but it still says Turbo S on the vehicle documuments (V5C).

The 89 on cars were just Turbo's, with some (but not all) of the Turbo S features and the only other use of SE was right at the end of the line when the last cars had all sorts of options included to shift them and were, again, referred to as SE's.

However, I can't recall where I found that last bit now.....

Certainly, an 89 Turbo with sunroof is just that - no matter what options it had. I think, anyway [] but the V5C should tell you.

Regards

Graham

 

[simkin911]

James, nice looking track based car there - good luck with the sale. Not sure about the rear diffuser (toast rack variety) and I did think about what the mileage on the car could be as this isn't expressly stated.

Graham - the logbook states "944 Turbo" for me in relation to my Turbos ('89 and '91).

 

[scam75]

All 1988 turbo s state turbo s on log book. All late turbo's say just turbo on log book however I was sure that these were the ones marketed as "SE". So as I said earlier, is it a myth? And if so why do so many people refer to late turbos as "SE"?

And then back to my car! It has ALL the features of a turbo s inc. no sunroof. Why would it not be a turbo s then? Only because it was made 2 years late? Of course it is not a turbo s though, it is simply a late turbo specced with no sunroof, CS wheels and M030 which amounts to exactly the same thing! No wonder we are confused!!

Stuart

 

[earlybay]

..and dont forget that the 'SE' designation was used for the 'run-out' S2 (non-turbo) model in 1991/2 of which only about 15 were sold in the UK ...

 

[Lowtimer]

ORIGINAL: DavidL

Bit harsh Graham!
I too would be inclined to say that post S 250s are SE models. Certainly I'm not aware of any other models for the late turbos.
Can't be all that many SE out there but maybe rare is pushing it a bit.
Looks a decent motor for the money.

But they aren't SE models. Porsche never called them that, neither did the DVLA. They are just turbos, mine included.

The only late 944 models called SE by Porsche GB were S2s.

 

[944 man]

Rather like the '952', which is a silly made up name.

 

[DavidL]

ORIGINAL: scam75

All late turbo's say just turbo on log book however I was sure that these were the ones marketed as "SE". And if so why do so many people refer to late turbos as "SE"?

Must have come from somewhere and I don't buy "just blame the internet".
My V5 just says turbo so who knows. Equally I doubt all these various limited special editions of various cars, especially the dealer made ones, are on the V5 yet they are marketed under these names.

Someone must have some literature from 89/90/91 for these cars. What does it say?
It would be odd for a marketing dept to give a model a name like S and then drop it all together. Rather they would replace it with something that suggests a better, newer model.

 

[944Turbo]

The late turbos are rare http://www.bigporsche.com/history944.htm

worldwide 5965 in 1988

worldwide 4103 in 1989
worldwide 1251 in 1990
worldwide 875 inc 625 Turbo cab in 1991

And 952 is on the sticker in my boot and on handbook under engine type

SE I think just came from being an S with extra equipment put back and probably carried over from the S2 SE, whatever rightly or wrongly it is used by many to mean late Turbo.


And back on topic Didn't that car used to have strips a while back?

 

[944Turbo]

Oh and he means medium big calipers from 928 S4

 

[Lowtimer]

ORIGINAL: 944Turbo

And 952 is on the sticker in my boot and on handbook under engine type

Yes, but that's just a coincidence: it's not the model number. Well, the 95 bit is, but the last part of the model number is the final digit.
The chassis number decodes like this:

WPO ZZZ = Europe RoW
WPO AAO = USA/Canada
94 = first two digits of model No. - Normally aspirated 944
95 = first two digits of model No. - 951 (944 Turbo)
Z = Europe RoW
O = USA/Canada
D= model year (1983)
E=1984 up to 1990 L (later ZL) 1991 ZM, 1992 ZN
N = Neckarsulm (build plant)
4 = last digit of model No. (944)
1 = last digit of model No. (951)

ORIGINAL: DavidL
Someone must have some literature from 89/90/91 for these cars. What does it say?

It says "Turbo". Same as it says on the owner's handbook.

 

[944Turbo]

I thought the 952 was the 250bhp engine designation, but could be wonky printing, I am a four hour flight away so cant check.

Also if the salesmen referred to them as SE would this show on the log book? such as other 'special editions' 205 junior, fiesta flair, Boxster RS60 etc. (admittedly most of these are badged)

Tony

 

[Lowtimer]

I don't think anyone can be held responsible for what a car salesman says, and nor should it be relied upon in court

 

[Ewan]

I always believed that the turbo SE designation was a uk only name applied to the 250 bhp cars that came after the silver rose and turbo S models. These were the full spec last of the line cars, with a hefty price tag. But it was possible to spec changes, hence a few have, for example, no sunroof. Items like sports seats, 10 speaker pack and mo30 suspension remained options. Surely someone with access to Porsche GB could clarify this?

 

[Lowtimer]

ORIGINAL: Ewan

I always believed that the turbo SE designation was a uk only name applied to the 250 bhp cars that came after the silver rose and turbo S models. These were the full spec last of the line cars, with a hefty price tag. But it was possible to spec changes, hence a few have, for example, no sunroof. Items like sports seats, 10 speaker pack and mo30 suspension remained options. Surely someone with access to Porsche GB could clarify this?

What do you mean by full spec then? With 10 speakers, sports seats and M030 all remaining optional extras (which they were) there is nothing left to distinguish what you're describing as a "full spec last of the line Turbo SE" from any other standard Turbo once the 250 hp engine became standard. All late 250 Turbos have the LSD, air con and er, the 250 hp engine. I believe the sunroof was a delete option rather than an add option on all the late cars.

Cruise control? According to the manual that was at least theoretically an option, though not one I've ever seen (anyone out there got it?)

A full 1990 or 1991 UK price list will clarify this, and there must be one in an archive at Reading somewhere. So should anyone's certificate of authenticity (if they have bothered getting one) which will simply say "944 Turbo".

I have all the original sales documentation for my car (which, for what it's worth, was delivered with sports seats and 10 speakers, standard suspension) and there's not a hint of an SE on any document belonging to the car, nor reference to an SE in any incidental references to other cars. I have seen a late 1990 UK 944 brochure, though sadly do not own one, and it didn't mention an SE.

 

[james palmer]

I LOVE ALL THIS TECH TALK!!! LOL
ALL I KNOW is that my car came FULLY LOADED