Cayman a future classic ?

[Steelback]

I have read that Porsche are possibly fazing out production of the Cayman and the Boxster, if this is the case what are you thoughts about these cars becoming future classics ?

 

[Dylan1]

Not likely

not likely !!

 

[Andy Fagan]

We heard you the 1st time []

 

[MrDemon]

I think the R will be classic status , it’s a slow burner like the 964 RS.

 

[Steve Brookes]

I think the R will be classic status , it’s a slow burner like the 964 RS.

Damn! Didn't realize that I'd just sold a classic! Although I guess it would only become semi-classic because of not being a manual. []

 

[JaySteel]

[font="arial, sans-serif"]Many years ago I used to own a 1981 911 SC. It was in beautiful condition but it never got too much respect from other Porsche owners. My car was regarded by most as the entry level 911 despite its condition. As prices of the 911 SC fell it got to the point where the cost of an engine rebuild was more than most of these cars were worth. So when these cars had engine issues, many owners of 911 SC cars would break them and sell off the pieces rather than pay for an expensive engine rebuild. Back then no one ever thought that these cars would be valuable one day. They were far too common. But the more SCs that got broken for parts, stolen or crashed, the rarer they became. The rarer they became, the more desirable they became, and the prices reflected this.[/font]

[font="arial, sans-serif"] Since selling my 911 SC the prices have now trebled. And motoring magazines now write nostalgic articles reviewing the old 911 SC as a great classic and a true drivers car, and these cars are finally getting the respect and appreciation that I always felt they deserved.[/font]

[font="arial, sans-serif"] In my humble opinion, the same will happen with the 987 Cayman S. The decision for Porsche to replace the old flat six with a four cylinder engine has pretty much ensured the 987 classic status one day. I don't believe they'll make you a huge profit, and certainly not anytime soon. But I would guess that in 20 or 30 years time they will be worth a fair bit more than they currently are. But anything could happen in the future. Oil prices could go through the roof or new laws could be introduced to restrict the use of petrol powered cars and promote electric cars. Keep the car if you love it mate. Hold on to it for long enough and you'll probably have a very desirable car one day. But nothing is guaranteed so enjoy the car while you have it.[/font]

 

[alastairp]

Have you seen the price of a MK2 Ford Escort?

 

[Andy Fagan]

Have you seen the price of a MK2 Ford Escort?

That pretty much applies to anything that can make a good historic race or rally car these days

 

[Steve Brookes]

Have you seen the price of a MK2 Ford Escort?

That pretty much applies to anything that can make a good historic race or rally car these days

Back in the 90s I traded in my MK2 mexico for a brown Sierra! [:-]

 

[Andy Fagan]

3 door sierra shells now rocketing in price as they start to qualify for historics

 

[Ray]

I sold my 3.2 Carrera and regret it. We cannot keep every car we buy. Most people move with the times.

Ray

 

[tcreswick]

I'm at the point that I don't think I'll ever sell my 987.1S. All the modifications I've made are pretty faithful and are either reversible or have minimal visual impact and mostly concern the driveability.

I much prefer the look of the 981 and the 718, but for me both cars lack the "go kart" engagement that I get from the 987 on track. I think it was the last Cayman that made more sense as a manual as well, and I love the skill involved in driving that properly. I think once you're into 981 and 718 you really want PDK. I'd love a PDK car, but there will always be days when I want to jump in the 987 and do it the old fashioned way.

So I decided a while ago that no matter what happens, I'll keep this car. Luckily for me it's probably worth less than £20k on the second hand market and it'll always have more smile-factor for me than that. If one day it appreciates in value then that's great, but I doubt I'd sell it.

Tim

 

[Motorhead]

I agree wholeheartedly with JaySteel's comments.

At the end of the day, classic status will be down to the number of cars that are still running at any time. After 30 years or so, although bodily and mechanically I'm sure many cars will still be in fine fettle, the electrical and electronic complexity of modern cars will make repair increasingly costly and, depending upon their value, I suspect that many cars could be scrapped as a result. I would expect stronger demand for the 987 Gen2 cars over the Gen1 cars which will be reflected in a significant price differential.

Regarding the OP's comment about the possible phasing-out of the Cayman and Boxster, I can't see that happening while there's still strong demand and that they remain profitable for Porsche.

Jeff

 

[MrDemon]

there are only 100 manual R in the UK now, but as they are great cars to drive, it seems pointless to put it in a barn.

 

[MrDemon]

I think the R will be classic status , it’s a slow burner like the 964 RS.

Damn! Didn't realize that I'd just sold a classic! Although I guess it would only become semi-classic because of not being a manual. []

I wonder if you would have gone for a GT4 if you owned the R in manual ;-) if you are not tracking at 10/10th, the R is the nicer car to own and drive imo.

I don't miss my GT4 at all but would miss my R and did so when I got my GT4 and sold my last R, I had to buy another.

I'll have to sell mine before they make classic status though, too many cars atm !!!!! and I only see my 987.2 Spyder as the keeper.

 

[Steve Brookes]

I wonder if you would have gone for a GT4 if you owned the R in manual ;-) if you are not tracking at 10/10th, the R is the nicer car to own and drive imo.

I don't miss my GT4 at all but would miss my R and did so when I got my GT4 and sold my last R, I had to buy another.

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D, I'll be interested to see how you find the new GT3 after a few months...it's not inconceivable that you might then miss the GT4.

As for me, it'll be interesting to see what I think of the GT4 versus the R but I know that I certainly won't be rubbishing the R because it was one of the best cars I've owned. Just does everything so well out of the box. []

 

[MrDemon]

I wonder if you would have gone for a GT4 if you owned the R in manual ;-) if you are not tracking at 10/10th, the R is the nicer car to own and drive imo.

I don't miss my GT4 at all but would miss my R and did so when I got my GT4 and sold my last R, I had to buy another.

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D, I'll be interested to see how you find the new GT3 after a few months...it's not inconceivable that you might then miss the GT4.

As for me, it'll be interesting to see what I think of the GT4 versus the R but I know that I certainly won't be rubbishing the R because it was one of the best cars I've owned. Just does everything so well out of the box. []

I have not had the GT4 for 5 months now so not missed at all, it was so close to a great car but the annoying bits were annoying. it's still a great car and best in class by miles so I am also not rubbishing it, just never found it exciting which was a shame. the R makes you feel more at one with it, Chris at ABP also loves the swap from GT4 to R. Track: GT4 every time, Road: R wins hands down. I never took my GT4 out on a morning on my own for a drive in 2 years ! just never felt like it offered what I wanted for fun, I did like trips in it and events and I did about 4 track days, Wales trip, Stutgart etc etc so fond memories of it for sure, more of my life style car and feel good car.

The GT3 fixes most things on the GT4 I did not like though, so going backwards would not happen, I would buy an Exige CUP or Some thing from another brand or a 997 GT3 with £25k mods lol

I think this is my last Porker for a while though.

That does not make the GT4 a bad car, I liked it but would want to spend £15k on it and had planned too if the GT3 did not happen. A 430 BHP GT4 with some TXX Ohlins was my plan.

Engine detuned: GT3 fixed, seems a master piece by all accounts 500BHP and more torque.

Ratios fix: shorter gearing thank goodness.

Adjustment fixed: GT3 has full adjustment to dial in the car and stay oem plus rear multilink. (i'll sell you my GT4 rear toe links if you like ;-) )

Seats fixed: I have gone back to the R seats, folding, heated, softer, less upright etc etc really did not gel with the 918 style at all which most GT4 have as no one knew they were that bad lol !

EPS fixed: more improvement on this GT3 regarding EPS feeling to a point it beat the new Lotus 430 CUP for steering feel !!!! that was a shock..

mpg: I even think i'll get more mpg from the GT3, the GT4 has MPG issues !!!

But the down side is one has to fork out £130k for one or £185k 2nd hand, so I would hope to see improvements from the GT4 to the flagship car.

I would rather a GT4 RS as I like Caymans more than 911's but the new GT3 just has it all and then some it seems.

I hanker after a Exige cup car though before I am to old to get in one.

I also have my big brake kit going on my R so the only thing which annoyed me on the R will be fixed with some big brakes ;-)

I also plan to do more than the 200 miles my 987.2 Spyder did last year !!!

I hope the GT4 is the right car for you and it's safe money to have a play in for 12 months , if you want the toe links 1/2 price give me a bell, it's a transformation imo getting the right geo on it but without those your hands are a bit tied.