Death of the DIESEL

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2018/02/20 14:55:06 (permalink)

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    dpoynton
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    Re: Death of the DIESEL 2018/02/20 15:46:34 (permalink)
    Being the proud owner, since new in October 2014, of a Macan S petrol I'm keeping a low profile.

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    Re: Death of the DIESEL 2018/02/20 16:47:46 (permalink)

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    Re: Death of the DIESEL 2018/02/21 20:25:02 (permalink)
    If you go into your local PC and ask about a diesel Macan, they will tell you they cannot currently accept an order for a diesel Macan.
    Sounds good to me, but why???
    Clearly the company is having a re-think about diesels.  Quite right too, for a sports car company.
    Helllooooo.  It's not too late for Porsche to say 'Porsche don't do diesels'.
    What a tag-line.  Immediately differentiates Porsche from every other competitive company.
    My PETROL Macan delivers 1st March and I am quite happy to pay a few quid more for fuel if I'm not going to poison little children and accept car company lies.  How many miles do you do?  50,000?  Perhaps.  If you can't afford the small additional cost, then get a smaller car with a smaller engine.
    You heard it here first:  'Porsche don't do diesel'
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    Re: Death of the DIESEL 2018/02/22 15:17:08 (permalink)
    The trouble was porsche put quite a few people of buying the petrol macan due to the waiting times. When I ordered my macan the day after the launch way back in april 2014 I wanted the petrol version and was told 2 years or longer wait but could have a diesel within 6 months. When I mentioned the turbo macan they said good luck. Porsche were pushing people to buy the diesel due to the ratio of diesels being produced.
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    Re: Death of the DIESEL 2018/02/22 16:10:33 (permalink)
    Well, we love our Diesel Macan. It's fast, torquey , very quiet and excellent on fuel. I wouldn't change it for a petrol or hybrid and maybe in the future, the diesels will become the collectors' car as production has now ceased. We've bought ours to keep long-term and I wouldn't consider that with a hybrid, its likely successor...too much to go wrong!
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    Re: Death of the DIESEL 2018/02/22 21:28:41 (permalink)
    Hi Gazoak
    Can't agree with you about the diesels.  The companies have screwed that with the dishonesty.  Frankly with its associations with VW and Audi, Porsche has had a very narrow escape, so far.  Hence my post:  'Porsche don't do diesel'.  Way to go.
    But agree strongly on the hybrids.  Why cart around two power systems and half a ton of batteries.
    Not green either, downloading juice that is 80% fossil fuel supplied.  What about battery disposal?  What about the cost of replacement batteries?
    The scientists don't know how to count.
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    Re: Death of the DIESEL 2018/02/26 07:27:18 (permalink)
    I read on Buzfeed that the new model Cayenne is Diesel. As said, maybe the link with VW & Audi, is a worry. And the grief that was suffered in the States. 
    But would anyone wish to lay down at the back of any vehicle, with there nose in the exhaust with the engine running, and breath more than one intake of breath. Probably not.
    Worth noting that everything we eat, everywhere we live, our houses, the list is endless. Was delivered by diesel powered vehicles.
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    Re: Death of the DIESEL 2018/02/26 09:34:42 (permalink)
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    Hi Gazoak
    Can't agree with you about the diesels.  The companies have screwed that with the dishonesty.  Frankly with its associations with VW and Audi, Porsche has had a very narrow escape, so far.  Hence my post:  'Porsche don't do diesel'.  Way to go.
    But agree strongly on the hybrids.  Why cart around two power systems and half a ton of batteries.
    Not green either, downloading juice that is 80% fossil fuel supplied.  What about battery disposal?  What about the cost of replacement batteries?
    The scientists don't know how to count.
    Dead end street.




    Have you driven a Macan Diesel or lived with one for any length of time? It's the poorly maintained cars blowing out smoke which should be removed from our roads. We get 45mpg on a run which is probably twice what you get out of the Macan S petrol!! 
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    Re: Death of the DIESEL 2018/02/26 20:04:21 (permalink)
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    I read on Buzfeed that the new model Cayenne is Diesel.

    Having just picked up my car after a service from my local PC, and also had a chat with the DP about the Cayenne launch next month, I can tell you Buzfeed is wrong.......(whatever Buzfeed is....!)

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    Re: Death of the DIESEL 2018/02/26 23:13:26 (permalink)
    Well, if that's right about the Cayenne (launch next month so we will really find out), that's Macan and Cayenne with no diesel.
    And I don't see any Panamera diesel on Porsche AG site for 2018.
    So that's no diesels.  There must be big balls being kicked around at head office.
    So OK Porsche you've done the right thing, gone back to making sports cars and saved some little children from particulate poisoning.
    Now take the benefit in the market place and PR:  "PORSCHE DON'T DO DIESEL."  You heard it here first.
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    Re: Death of the DIESEL 2018/02/27 13:29:33 (permalink)
    Environmental bans on diesel-powered vehicles are legal in German municipalities, a top German court has ruled.
     
     
    "Leipzig, Germany (dpa) - Environmental bans on diesel-powered vehicles are legal in German municipalities, a top German court ruled on Tuesday, in a verdict that could have wide-ranging effects on the nation's automotive industry.
     
    The ruling only specifically touches on the cities of Dusseldorf and Stuttgart, which sought to interpret German law so they could implement diesel bans in an effort to clean up polluted air.
    But the ruling could have a wider effect and clear the way for other cities to impose limits on diesel use. That could carry consequences for Germany's large auto industry, which has relied greatly on diesel-powered vehicles.
     
    Diesel power has become controversial ever since it emerged in 2015 that carmaker Volkswagen, and subsequently other manufacturers, had doctored test results to downplay the emissions released by diesel-powered engines.
     
    "As of today, we have achieved diesel vehicle bans," said Juergen Resch, head of the environmental group Deutsche Umwelthilfe (DUH), which was also a party to the complaint.
     
    Although the court approved the principle of diesel bans, it did tell the two cities to review their clean air plans to make sure they comply with guidelines, the Federal Administrative Court ruled. Stuttgart was cautioned to make sure any bans did not affect newer cars exempt from such actions. Dusseldorf was told to make sure a car ban was the only effective solution.
     
    Stuttgart plans to introduce its ban no earlier than September 1, and allow exceptions for a variety of vehicles, including ones used by tradespeople.
     
    However, the court did not require cities implementing bans to compensate drivers who must suddenly keep their vehicles outside city limits. "Certain losses in value are to be expected," said presiding Judge Andreas Korbmacher. He also urged German municipalities to work together on the bans and any other clean air guidelines, to avoid a "patchwork" of rules that would make it hard for German motorists and businesses to operate vehicles in multiple cities.
     
    Tuesday's ruling builds on district court rulings that municipalities need more powers to ensure clean air and that vehicle bans might be the best way to implement them. Those rulings had been reversed by state courts, which had found that the attempt to ban diesel could not be made without the passage of a new federal law. 
     
    Air pollution has become a growing problem in German cities, with much of the focus on nitrogen oxides (NOx), which can cause a variety of health problems affecting breathing and the circulatory system. Vehicular traffic is responsible for 60 per cent of this pollution and diesel cars, which are popular in Germany, are a major portion of that. Upper limits on the amount of such gases allowed in the atmosphere have been in place since 2010, but not universally enforced, despite lobbying efforts by environmental groups and actions by cities like Dusseldorf and Stuttgart.
     
    The European Union has also pressured Germany to clean up its air. An EU court case also threatens if Germany does not take action quickly enough to clean up its air. Germany's federal government is considering changes to traffic law that would give municipalities new rights to create traffic bans.
     
    Cities pushing such bans have called on the government to implement the use of the Euro 6 blue disc, a standardized guide to show which vehicles meet the latest EU emissions standard. So far, Berlin has tried to stop that system from taking root in Germany.
     
    and on a practical note...
     
    Duesseldorf mayor confirms my story from November (writes Christiaan Hetzner). Without a colored sticker to differentiate cars, a diesel driving ban would require control checkpoints that stop drivers to ensure theirs is compliant.
     
    http://europe.autonews.co...roads-on-diesel-rescue

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    Re: Death of the DIESEL 2018/02/27 14:24:56 (permalink)
    For The technophobes, have a look at Buzzfeed.com. It’s got Latest news, and shows some shots of the new 2021 model Macan.😊
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    Re: Death of the DIESEL 2018/02/27 20:50:09 (permalink)
    Diesel S Macan is one of the best all-round cars I have ever driven....

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    Re: Death of the DIESEL 2018/03/04 21:09:58 (permalink)
    Hi all.  Just reading these posts whilst watching US golf!
     
    i thought Porsche announced to Evo magazine that they had received clearance from the ‘authorities’ to no longer sell their cars with diesel engines (effective from 15th February) because of their development of hybrid and all electric technologies?  Of course, Porsche didn’t actually make the engines.  I may have dreamt it, but don’t think I did!
     
    Best, Neil
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