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A real 944 Turbo S

hi all,

i am looking at buying a 944 turbo. The chap says it is a turbo s model but i cant see it on the paperwork however code sticker (although only a picture) that seems to show it has all the turbo s options ie m030 and it also has a late wrap over spoiler. Is there anyway to tell it is definately an s version. I think it is a 1998 car? Trying to get the pictures for review, will the wheels show it?

thanks Rhys
 
The following link suggests that your list of option codes should include M758 which is the Special Model Turbo for 1988 although this doesn't appear to be a Porsche approved list.
http://www.944silverrose.co.uk/technicial-information/option-m758-special-model-944-turbo-1988.html
Also I understand the engine code is different - M44/51 is the normal 951 (220HP) used in 1986 thru 1988 Turbo, M44/52 (247HP) is the Turbo S for 1988 and the Turbo for 1989 (no Special model for 89 - only one Turbo model offered). Other than that I would try a VIN decoder to see if that sheds any light.
Remember that M030 suspension and probably a lot of other stuff (including wheels) could be optioned onto a "regular" Turbo so I wouldn't take that as definitive that the car you are looking at is a true S.
The "wrap over spoiler" - if you are referring to the spoiler used on the 91 S2 coupes and the 968 then this spoiler is not original to the car. As indicated - this spoiler came into use on the '91 S2 and the 968s. The 1990 S2 still used the tray type spoiler as did the Turbos.

 
Hi,

As above, it should be defined by option code M758.

Also the VIN number should be in the range WPOZZZ95ZJN100001 – 1875, and the engine number should be in the range 47J00001 – 47J01830 if it is the original.

Again as above, individual options being present (other than M758) are not conclusive, but it should not have a sunroof.

Happy hunting :)
 
I bought a new 944 turbo in 1990 and it had the bridge spoiler which I am sure was standard for the last Turbos and not the tray type spoiler.
 
The Wiki Info is this :

In 1988, Porsche introduced the Turbo S. The 944 Turbo S had a more powerful engine (designation number M44/52) with 250 hp (186 kW) and 258 lb·ft (350 N·m) torque (standard 944 Turbo 220 hp (164 kW) and 243 lb·ft (329 N·m)). This higher output was achieved by using a larger K26-8 turbine housing and revised engine mapping which allowed maintaining maximum boost until 5800 rpm, compared to the standard 944 Turbo the boost would decrease from 1.75 bar (175 kPa; 25.4 psi) at 3000 rpm to 1.52 bar (152 kPa; 22.0 psi) at 5800 rpm.

The 944 Turbo S's suspension had the "M030" option consisting of Koni adjustable shocks front and rear, with ride height adjusting threaded collars on the front struts, progressive rate springs, larger hollow rear anti-roll/torsion bars, harder durometer suspension bushings, larger 26.8 mm (1.055 in) hollow anti-roll/torsion bars at the front, and chassis stiffening brackets in the front frame rails. The air conditioning dryer lines are routed so as to clear the front frame brace on the driver's side.

The 944 Turbo S wheels, known as the Club Sport design, were 16-inch Fuchs forged and flat-dished, similar to the Design 90 wheel. Wheel widths were 7 inches (178 mm) in the front, and 9 inches (229 mm) in the rear with 52 mm (2.047 in) offset; sizes of the Z-rated tires were 225/50 in the front and 245/45 in the rear. The front and rear fender edges were rolled to accommodate the larger wheels. The manual transmission (case code designation: AOR) featured a higher friction clutch disc setup, an external cooler, and a limited slip differential with a 40% lockup setting. The Turbo S front brakes were borrowed from the Porsche 928 S4, with larger Brembo GT 4-piston fixed calipers and 12-inch discs; rear Brembo brakes remained the same as a standard Turbo. ABS also came standard.

The 944 Turbo S interior featured power seats for both driver and passenger, where the majority of the factory-built Turbo S models sported a "Burgundy plaid" (Silver Rose edition) but other interior/exterior colors were available. A 10-speaker sound system and equalizer + amp was a common option with the Turbo S and S/SE prototypes. Only the earlier 1986, 250 bhp (190 kW) prototypes featured a "special wishes custom interior" options package.


In 1989 and later production, the 'S' designation was dropped from the 944 Turbo S, and all 944 Turbos featured the Turbo S enhancements as standard, however the "M030" suspension and the Club Sport wheels were not part of that standard

R
 
martin lyne said:
I bought a new 944 turbo in 1990 and it had the bridge spoiler which I am sure was standard for the last Turbos and not the tray type spoiler.


Yep.
 
Wikipedia isn't a particularly accurate source. M52 engines have nothing to do with power output and the drivel about 1989s and forged wheels is rubbish too.

A British 944 Turbo with Sport Equipment (Turbo SE) will probably have option M758 on the service book sticker, but not all of the cars built seem to, with later models listing the options individually, even though theyre Rose Silver (Silberrose, not available on any other 944). An SE in a colour other than Rose Silver Met will probably list M758 as the extended productions cars mostly seemed to go to America.


 
Is it a U.K. or a European car
Does it have the M758 Option Code
If not does it have the M462 Sekuriflex Windscreen Code and M030 Sport Suspension
Does the VIN and engine number fall into the range on 95ZJN100001 - 1875 and 47J0001 - 1830
and does it have NO SUNROOF

if so then it is a 1988 Turbo S car. If not and it is not a 1988 car with a ZJN VIN number then it is a 944 Turbo ??

Simples



 
Common mistake = "7 inches (178 mm) in the front, Clubsport CS forged wheels are 7.5" at the front" - its difficult to fit 225/50 on a 7", they fit well on a 7.5" or 8"..

"The 944 Turbo S interior featured power seats for both driver and passenger, where the majority of the factory-built Turbo S models sported a "Burgundy plaid" (Silver Rose edition) but other interior/exterior colors were available. A 10-speaker sound system and equalizer + amp was a common option with the Turbo S and S/SE prototypes. Only the earlier 1986, 250 bhp (190 kW) prototypes featured a "special wishes custom interior" options package"

See picture above ..... my 951, 1988 Turbo S, is distinctly not Burgundy inside nor is it rose pink on the outside.

944man correct with his assessment of Wiki....

 
Is it that time of year again ?

The old Turbo S , Turbo SE debate ...debacle

I think the original poster needs to provide more info.

I believe this topic has been covered often enough that the search function on the forum will provide every answer needed to identify a genuine 1988MY "special order" 758 Turbo S

After that's it's simply, or usually not simply, a case of convincing owners of later cars they don't have a Turbo S but a late 944 Turbo....
 
blade7 said:
"Turbo SE" what's that then ?


According to Porsche Cars Germany there is no such thing

According to some Porsche Cars GB literature the SE was Special equipment. Take that as plenty of options included in the runout of the 944 before the 968 hit the dealers
 
chrisg said:
Mine has Turbo SE on the boot in hand sprayed script...... So it must be true :p


Your car is a one-off though Chris (a bit like its driver..) [:D] Haven't seen another with the same paint job as yours, but you have that Porsche sales brochure with your car (I'm assuming) pictured.
 
i can only remember seeing one "SE" for sale a few years back,,,,,
it sticks out in my mind because of the huge and ugly imho side decal,,,,,
looked like an afterthought and didnt seem right,,,,,,,,
 

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