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Re: RE: Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPC's! 2018/02/14 09:19:10 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jdpef356 2018/02/15 20:26:55
look it's a debate which will go on a and on and I have been very negative about it and indeed of every thing and I am very sorry that I do point put out negative views :-(
 
I am not sure why I am like this atm, I am trying my best but not been well for about 18months and I need to really be more positive in my outlook as it's not helping me being like this.  Doctors are no help as they load you up on drugs so I am doing this with my own mind set and I do feel a lot better than I did 18 months ago.
 
But PDK is a tool to help you go faster, I already admitted I would be faster in a PDK, but I am not ready to give up on a skill set which has taken me all my life to hone just yet.  If PDK lets people of an age keep driving that is a massive result, Brian is amazing he can still get out and put in a time and be on track, I only hope I can drive well into my 70's, my dad is 87 like I have said I and is a die hard manual fan it's great to see :-) . No one cares what any one else drives and if every one is happy that's a result, I hope I can be happy in 2018 and I do hope if I have offended anyone, the people who know me know I don't mean any malice.
 
the newer cars with PTV and e diff's have taken things too far for me, I have been out with poor drivers and seen how the cars get them round, PDK was the 1st thing to aid drivers, now cars do drive on their own and you only need to steer and that will be gone in the next 20 years. Bikes have gone the same way, Gyro's ABS etc etc
a novice can ride a 200bhp super bike, open the throttle full mid bend and the bike will get you round it  !
 
I think if you are really a good driver and you have done a million miles and I do mean a million, then jumping into a PDK car does reduce the work load and make it a far far easier car to pilot. one cannot get away from that, it's not the gear change, it's the work load approaching a bend . A lot Kids cannot drive manuals these days, the Auto test only is on the UP, put any one of these drivers In a Caterham and they would be off 1st bend, put them in a 718 PDK, PTV E-diff car they would be lapping quite close to me !  maybe I resent that , who knows.
 
I am looking at changing a few thing in my life to try and be a happy person :-) but what we all have in common is we love our cars and long may that continue, I wish every one good health as it's the most important thing in life, Mental health also as I see more and more people with mental Health issues and  suicide rates have increased by 60% in my life time.
 
 
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Re: RE: Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPC's! 2018/02/14 09:54:43 (permalink)
Good luck with your health issues D, no shame in what you’ve said, it can happen to anyone, I was reading how low and unhappy Bruce Springsteen feels at times and he has been doing his bit to raise the often taboo issue of mental health 
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Re: RE: Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPC's! 2018/02/14 10:38:29 (permalink)
My track driving experience has always been in manual cars whether the humble 924S,a 964 & various    fast Rover Vitesses on Rover race training days.
My track passenger experiences have included cars as above plus amongst others :Mel's 964 cup car,Paul Howells RSR ,back to back laps with Andy Fagan & Chris Whittles Cayman R's -manual / PDK respectively-also with Steve in his 964.
The Cayman laps showed no dicernible difference overall but a marked difference in cornering with the PDK faster into the bends but slower out-how much of this was down to the PDK cars ceramic brakes is difficult to estimate but the manual car was clearly faster away from bends mainly because the gears could be held that bit longer ( ie.snatched)
 
 My road cars for the last 15 yrs have been  BMW 530 D Autos remapped which go even better & change up later if you hold the DSC button in for over 15 secs.I have taught myself to Left foot brake & always drive this way -I also always drive in Steptronic manual.
 
So far nobody has mentioned the advantage of Left foot braking but it does bring advantages whether driving manual or automatic cars.
In a manual,you can leave a foot on the throttle ( you have to have changed gear 1st) in corners -it can be combined with H&T with appropriate foot agility & in autos one can brake,dab at the brake,combined with changing gear .I have however no experience of driving like this with a PDK box.
 
Of course,bigger engined cars like the BMWs,Mercs ,Jags always tended to come as Autos  which is fine for commuting/stop -start traffic but really no advantage for motorway cruising so I didn't get the option but on track the ability to use both pedals must surely bring some advantage .

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Re: RE: Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPC's! 2018/02/14 11:02:42 (permalink)
David,
 
Your honesty is very commendable and refreshing. As Andrew Killington has already said, no shame in admitting to health problems in public.  I have chosen to do exactly the same with my ALS condition and I have gained much support from PCGB members by so doing.
 
Mental health issues used to be a taboo subject. Thankfully for all concerned that is no longer the case. 
 
Please keep coming up with your pithy comments David. Whether it be on PDK, PTV, EPS, or flat-4 turbos, this forum would be poorer place without your contributions.
 
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Re: RE: Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPC's! 2018/02/14 11:30:25 (permalink)
My understanding from what I have read and talked to people about, one thing is very clear we are all in agreement that we enjoy the Porsche Marque no matter what model we choose i.e preference or as budget dictates.
We all have different needs uses for our Porches some are everyday cars some are tracked some are used for car shows we all use them in different ways to serve our purpose.
Whether it be Manual or PDK flat six or 4  technology moves on as well. So we all choose our favourite model and hopefully enjoy it.
Debate is good Pros  Cons of each model and any advise we can put to good stead is always invaluable.
Be boring if we all had the same  car colour spec what would we debate. 
Only my observation having been lucky enough to have owned many of the Porsche models over the last 23 years.
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Re: RE: Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPC's! 2018/02/14 11:40:48 (permalink)
:-)
 
I would like to pick up on left foot braking as most new cars ECU's  cut the throttle if you touch the brakes, so again another thing gone in ones arsenal !
 
Handy I guess in an auto to use both feet , I left foot brake my racing sim and to compete at the high levels I run my sim on paddles not a shifter.
Sim racing is at a very high level and of course world wide, so no time for a gear shift I am chasing 1/100th of a second on it most times.
 

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Re: RE: Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPC's! 2018/02/14 12:07:28 (permalink)
Have a manual currently, but have always left-foot braked with autos.  Had a couple of Audi TTs with DSG.  Similar to, probably inferior to PDK.  DSGs cost a lot to fix when they go wrong!  Expect PDKs do too.
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Re: RE: Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPC's! 2018/02/14 15:08:03 (permalink)
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Have a manual currently, but have always left-foot braked with autos.  Had a couple of Audi TTs with DSG.  Similar to, probably inferior to PDK.  DSGs cost a lot to fix when they go wrong!  Expect PDKs do too.


Would imagine on the older PDK cars this will eventually become an expensive issue to fix and as I know 2 people have PDK's replaced on very newish cars under warranty of course the time off the roads for both were almost a month!  Delay waiting new box from factory 

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Re: RE: Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPC's! 2018/02/15 18:59:59 (permalink)

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Re: RE: Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPC's! 2018/02/19 16:56:33 (permalink)
According to this the next generation 911/922 GT3 will be a Turbo 
 
Does this mean 718 Spyder could be the final n/a Flat 6  subject to this article not being Fake Facts of course 
 
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/2019-porsche-911

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Re: RE: Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPC's! 2018/02/23 07:31:51 (permalink)
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