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RE: Naked Cayman January 17th FIRST FULL ROAD TEST 2006/01/20 17:55:54 (permalink)
Having read the Autocar Cayman article, its pretty obvoius that the setup (mid-engined) gives the best handling balance. So, which way do you see the development of the Cayman and the 911 going? Should the next 911 be mid-engined?? Its a tricky one because its pretty obvious that without to much tweakery (bigger engine ~ say 350 bhp+) the Cayman could become the performance and handling flagship of Porsche.
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RE: Naked Cayman January 17th FIRST FULL ROAD TEST 2006/01/20 19:02:08 (permalink)
Trouble is the Porsche 911 is iconic and I doubt if Porsche will ever change the status of it as their flagship. But I suppose they could introduce mid-engine philosophy! Naaaah, not a hope. Anyway, the very fact that 911 is still tail happy pleases a lot of people. 
 
Bottom line is that they are both great cars with their own niche. There is room for both, but I don't see PAG allowing Cayman to get more power.
 
Now there is always RUF! Imagine a 400 bhp Cayman RS!

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RE: Naked Cayman January 17th FIRST FULL ROAD TEST 2006/01/20 19:06:46 (permalink)
You'll have to bear with me i'm new to Porsche and kind of understand the iconic nature of the 911, BUT the fact remains that a 350+BHP Cayman would be 'better' than a 911 or am i totally not getting it? Wasn't there a similar argument when they switched to water cooled engines, progress is progress after all!
BTW Derek keep your eyes peeled for a very tentatively driven 987S (Lapis Blue) on 1st March - the Cotswolds is where we're planning to go after dealer collection.
Cheers, Harry
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RE: Naked Cayman January 17th FIRST FULL ROAD TEST 2006/01/20 20:06:13 (permalink)
IMO
To drive a Coxster well, is relatively easy as it is pretty neutral (unchallenging?)
To drive a 911 well, is more challenging - more pleasure when achieved.
Doesn't mean better.
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RE: Naked Cayman January 17th FIRST FULL ROAD TEST 2006/01/20 22:44:47 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: daro911

ORIGINAL: dereksharpuk

When (if) the Boxster S 3.4 is built it will be interesting to see if, like for like, it is still cheaper than Cayman S.
Don't  tell me that a Rolex is worth a thousand times more than a Timex! 


Boxster is definitely going 3.4L and will still cost similar money to the 3.2 which leads me back to my first question as an owner can you see £5000 difference between the two models....I can't

Rolex isn't made by Timex so values and costings can't be compared unlike Cayman & Boxster    


Robert,

From whence did you obtain the information about the new Boxster with the large [Cayman] engine?  Have you any other information?

If this is correct, is PGB accepting deposits for the new-engined car yet?  What will this do to the values of the 986S and 987S.  

Please let us into the secret
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RE: Naked Cayman January 17th FIRST FULL ROAD TEST 2006/01/21 17:58:51 (permalink)
As a previous 911 owner and now a Cayman owner I could not agree more. However, try turning off PSM! Then the fun starts.Now that is challenging!

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RE: Naked Cayman January 17th FIRST FULL ROAD TEST 2006/01/21 18:05:53 (permalink)
Julian
the news about the 3.4 Boxster S has been in the mags and Rob seems to have been given the nos as well
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RE: Naked Cayman January 17th FIRST FULL ROAD TEST 2006/01/23 08:18:03 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: juliany27

From whence did you obtain the information about the new Boxster with the large [Cayman] engine?  Have you any other information?

If this is correct, is PGB accepting deposits for the new-engined car yet?  What will this do to the values of the 986S and 987S.  

Please let us into the secret

 
Hi Julian ... Naturally I can't out my source otherwise he will be Ex Porsche employee 
 
It's a bit early in the year to have any other info more details will emerge as we enter the summer
 
PGB Never publicly acknowledges forthcoming new models until "Big Brother" says they can
 
986/987 values along with just about every other car out there right now are on the floor (sea bed floor) so a minor facelift won't exactly sink the values below sea bed level IMO but then again as more and more people wake up to the exact state GB, our future PM, has managed to get the country into won't help the residuals on our pride and joys
 
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RE: Naked Cayman January 17th FIRST FULL ROAD TEST 2006/01/24 08:12:24 (permalink)
This looks like a good deal if you want immediately delivery and fairly basic spec car:-
 
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RE: Naked Cayman January 2006 Arrives Down Under 2006/01/28 21:57:45 (permalink)


January 25, 2006

Built from the Boxster and 911 parts, Porsche's new Cayman S rides the middle ground between two of the German manufacturer's powerhouse models. Andrew Heasley reports.

The roar of the flat-six engine behind our spines fills the cabin as we dart around hairpin corners, the seats hugging tightly to hold our torso in place against the building lateral G-forces. Traversing the famed corkscrew roads in the Adelaide Hills is an exercise in snappy gear changes and strong prods on the brakes and accelerator, with quick steering responses.

It's an occasion that's been eagerly anticipated: a day behind the wheel of Porsche's new two-seat coupe, the Cayman S.

The Cayman S coupe, now making its Australian showroom debut, is pure Porsche: sporting, powerful, agile and exciting - all the descriptions mass manufacturers typically employ to imbue some interest in dull family saloons.

So good is this new Porsche - positioned price- and performance-wise to slot into the range between the Boxster S and the 911 - that it makes the 911 look, well, a little irrelevant.

The Cayman S offers almost all the 911's tactile, visual and aural excitement available on public roads - for $50,000 less. The flip side is that the Cayman S can also be regarded as an expensive ($40,000 more) Boxster with a metal roof.

The truth is, the Cayman S is a bit of both. Rolf Frech, director of Complete Vehicle Engineering at the German manufacturer's Stuttgart headquarters, has been involved with the Cayman project since its inception and says the Cayman was born of a different philosophy to the Boxster.

"Why did we decide to build it? There was an opening between the Boxster and the 911. It had to be emotionally younger than the 911 but tougher than the Boxster," Mr Frech says. "We wanted to make the car muscular."

Mr Frech says the decision to introduce an "S" version of the car first (unlike what the company has done with its other models) was made because the performance targets had been set to sit as a feeder to the 911.

What's implicit in this explanation is that if the current car were designated a plain Cayman, then a high "S" variant would encroach on the capabilities of the 911.

Underlining this is the car's composition: 51 per cent of its parts come from the 911, 29 per cent from the Boxster and 20 per cent is pure Cayman, Mr Frech says.

The process to develop the Cayman occurred while the Boxster was undergoing development for its latest 987 guise. But Mr Frech says the project was not going to proceed until the company was happy with the Cayman's design.

"We made a lot of design studies with the Cayman," he says. Twelve months were spent doing computer simulations of how a fixed-roof Boxster would behave.

In 2002, Porsche made some disguised "mules" to test out the mechanicals, then a few hand-built prototypes. Integration of the roof-line into the rear of the car had to look natural, Mr Frech says.

Now the car has landed in Australia and the first batch is making its way to Porsche dealers. What do you get for your $148,500 entry price?

Two seats, a six-speed manual or five-speed Tiptronic automatic transmission (ups the price $7000), a 1340 kg coupe body with a large hatchback, a midship 3.4-litre water-cooled flat-six engine featuring Porsche's VarioCam valve timing, 217 kW of power and 340 Nm of torque, rear-wheel-drive, a 0-100 km/h sprint time of 5.4 seconds for the manual and 6.1 seconds for the auto, and top speeds (which are academic here) of 275 km/h for the manual and 267 km/h for the auto.

From the outside, the car is no Bride of Frankenstein job: the new roof sweeps harmoniously from the A-pillar through to the top of the rear bumper. It's a tightly pursed rear end, with accentuated curved guards over the rear flanks.

Finishing off the rear is a small electronically raising tail spoiler that moves upwards into the air stream at 120 km/h for extra downforce - though you're unlikely to ever see it legally in action on Victorian roads.

The rear three-quarter angle is arguably the car's most appealing, and probably the view of the car most motorists are likely to see. In the metal, it looks about the size of an early-'80s 911.

The wide-opening lift-back offers the convenience of a hatchback and is more useful in everyday situations than the extra seats found in the 911, which can only be accessed from tilting the front seats.

Indeed, for a strict two-seater, the Cayman is a relatively practical beast. It has 260 litres of rear cargo space (it's shallow but broad) and 150 litres under the front bonnet. Its lift-back, however, means there's no room for a sliding sunroof.

The flanks of the car house Boxster-style vertical vents ahead of the rear wheel arches. The vent on the right feeds cooling air to the radiator, the one on the left is the air intake for the engine.

The front looks similar to the 911, even more so as a view in the rear-vision mirror.

There's the fire-red, four-pot brake calipers sitting inside the 18-inch, five-spoke alloys, though 19-inch alloys and high-performance, yellow-painted, ceramic composite brakes can be optioned. There's no spare wheel or jack. Instead, there's a can of goop and a compressor.

Dual exhausts come together in the centre of the rear bumper, giving the car a wasp-like stinger.

Hop inside and you'll find a console that's very Boxster: a triple cluster of dials (central tacho with digital speed readout, a 300 km/h speedo to the left, temperature and fuel gauges to the right), oval vents and a central cluster of controls for audio, climate control, stability control, and if fitted, Porsche's PASM electronically adjustable suspension.

The seats are incredibly firm in the Porsche way, though the car is capable of generating so much lateral grip through corners that extra side bolstering for the passenger wouldn't go astray - the passenger has no steering wheel to hang on to.

In the carpeted, stepped-tier cargo bay there's a removable net to hold the shopping in place. There's also a small, flip-down lid that reveals two caps for fluids for the engine; one for adding oil, the other for coolant.

To keep oil fumes from penetrating into the cabin, the flip-lid has a rubber seal - but one can't help but wonder what would happen in an oil change if the oil accidentally blurted out while being poured: it would soak into the rear carpet and smell out the cabin.

Crank the key and the cabin fills with the distinctive sound only a Porsche engine makes. It's an abrasive but melodious rhythm that pulses through the car's frame.

Engage first, tread on the throttle and ease the clutch and the car moves off the line with all the fuss of a Corolla. There's no temperamental antics here.

The Cayman S is as easy to drive in city traffic as any mass-produced car. Sure the steering, clutch and gear shift are stiffer than a Toyota, but there's a robotic precision about how the controls activate. The gear shift slots snugly into the gates, the clutch is progressive and the electronic throttle well judged.
The steering is perhaps the best in the business. An absence of play transmits what the front wheels are doing at any legal speed and reacts to the slightest input.

Leaving the city crawl behind and heading north for the beautiful Adelaide Hills sees the Cayman enter the domain it can revel in: tight and twisty roads, up hill and down dale; later leading to long sweepers on the southern leg back towards town.

It's on these roads that the design of the structure comes into play. The Cayman takes the already stiff frame of the Boxster and strengthens and lightens it with a steel roof. Mr Frech says the Cayman S is almost as torsionally stiff as the 911.

The body rigidity has allowed Porsche to fit suspension that's stiffer than the Boxster. On bumpy sections, that can make the going jiggly inside the cabin, but it also means the car hunkers down and stays there in serious cornering.

All the while there's that mechanical and sports exhaust soundtrack that's been aurally tuned (Porsche used dummies with electronic "ears" to calibrate the sound inside the cabin).

The brakes, meanwhile, require a firm prod but wash off speed with indecent haste.

The Cayman S has a thirst for fuel when driven in a sporty manner: the onboard computer read about 18 L/100 km after a hard day's drive. Officially, the manual returns 15.3 L on the urban cycle (16.3 L for the auto); 7.8 L on the highway (7.9 L for the auto); an official combined consumption of 10.6 L/100 km (11.0 L for the auto).

The Cayman S offers significant safety systems. There's a switchable electronic stability control, six airbags and seat belt pre-tensioners and force limiters to help avoid or mitigate accidents.

The Cayman S, then, behaves like a proper Porsche. Which, as we trundle back into the centre of Adelaide, brings us back to the central theme: why would anyone buy a 911 when the Cayman S offers so much of the same experience?

Porsche is sticking to the script the car won't cannibalise 911 sales, rather it's a feeder to the 911 range.

"The 911 is our performance icon," says Mr Frech. "The Cayman S is targetted at young individualists; the 911 is an older, more conservative, status-conscious buyer. Buyers will move up to a 911, not down from it. The experience from overseas (where it has already gone on sale) confirms this."

The Cayman S Down Under

Porsche Cars Australia managing director Michael Winkler warns supply will be kept tight so examples of the Cayman S sitting around on showroom floors will be few.

"We're not shooting for sales records. We're not going to force numbers, so that the margins stay healthy and the customer retains resale values," Mr Winkler says. "We're not going to engage in what I call `unnatural acts' - discounting."

He says there's been about 30 orders secured with deposits from eager customers who've made their decision on overseas reports about the car.
For such a high-performance car, there's a surprisingly gentle maintenance schedule: oil change every 30,000 km; three inspections to 100,000 km. A standard service costs from $220.

Porsche Cars Australia says it is expecting to sell between 100 and 150 Caymans a year.

Mr Winkler and Rolf Frech, director of Complete Vehicle Engineering, say a decision to release a lower-spec (and cheaper) entry-level Cayman has not been made by Porsche's board.

Where the Cayman S fits into the range

Boxster
Body:
2-door cabriolet
Engine:
2.7-litre flat six, midship
Power:
176 kW
Torque:
270 Nm
Transmission:
five- or optional six-speed manual, five-speed Tiptronic, rear-wheel drive
Weight:
from 1295 kg
Performance:
0-100 km/h: 6.2 seconds; 256 km/h top speed
Price:
from $107,400
Boxster S
Body:
2-door cabriolet
Engine:
3.2-litre flat six, midship
Power:
206 kW
Torque:
320 Nm
Transmission:
six-speed manual, five-speed Tiptronic, rear-wheel drive
Weight:
from 1345 kg
Performance:
0-100 km/h: 5.5 seconds; 268 km/h top speed
Price:
from $132,500
Cayman S
Body:
2-door coupe
Engine:
3.4-litre flat six, midship
Power:
217 kW
Torque:
340 Nm
Transmission:
six-speed manual, five-speed Tiptronic, rear-wheel drive
Weight:
1340 kg
Performance:
0-100 km/h: 5.4 seconds; 275 km/h top speed
Price:
from $148,500
911 Carrera
Body:
2-door coupe
Engine:
3.6-litre flat six, rear
Power:
239 kW
Torque:
370 Nm
Transmission:
six-speed manual, five-speed Tiptronic, rear-wheel drive
Weight:
1395 kg
Performance:
0-100 km/h: 5.0 seconds; 285 km/h top speed
Price:
from $195,225
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RE: Naked Cayman January 2006 No RS Version 2006/02/25 21:57:04 (permalink)
Porsche: no Cayman RS
Sunday 29 January 2006 12:58:02 by Luca

A disappointment from Porsche: there will be no souped-up versions of the Cayman S.
 
While an hypothetical Cayman RS may well host the 3.8 liters boxer of the 997 Carrera S, or a turbo version of the Cayman S engine, a Porsche employee said declared to the dutch magazine Autotelegraaf that the firm "Cayman was designed for a position between the Boxster and the 911, both in price and in performance" and that its task is to tempt Boxster owners to upgrade or to steal sales from cars such as the BMW M3 or Mercedes CLK, not from her bigger sister.
 
Bah. Is that you stay the most profitable car-builder in the world ? Or is that how you miss a nice opportunity ? I don't think that Porsche would be unable to sell a Cayman RS at a price point that would guarantee the same (very generous!) profit margins as selling a 997 does.
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RE: Naked Cayman January 2006 No RS Version 2006/03/27 21:44:17 (permalink)


Steering/handling
Acceleration
Braking


Ride, w/19-inch tires
Entry/exit
Cargo room


Consumer Guide® Road Test Ratings

Acceleration
Boxster w/18-in. wheels, man.
Boxster S w/19-in. wheels, man.
Boxster S w/19-in. wheels, auto.
Cayman S w/ nav. sys., man.
Class Average

8
9
8
8
8.2

Smooth, ready power for any situation. Boxster S version particularly strong as rpm climbs. No opportunity to clock, but Porsche's 0-60-mph times feel justified: 5.9 sec for base, 5.2 for S with manual transmission; 6.8 and 6.2, respectively, with automatic. Responsive automatic a better substitute for manual than most, but still not the sports-car ideal.

Fuel Economy

Boxster w/18-in. wheels, man.
Boxster S w/19-in. wheels, man.
Boxster S w/19-in. wheels, auto.
Cayman S w/ nav. sys., man.
Class Average

6
5
4
4
4.2

No opportunity to measure, but likely to mirror previous-generation models, which had manual-transmission test averages of 23.3 mpg in base form, 17.2 for S. Boxsters and Cayman require premium-grade fuel.

Ride Quality

Boxster w/18-in. wheels, man.
Boxster S w/19-in. wheels, man.
Boxster S w/19-in. wheels, auto.
Cayman S w/ nav. sys., man.
Class Average

3
2
2
2
4.4


Firm control, with tire choice a big factor in comfort. No base version with 17-inch tires made available for test, but with 18s, bumps, cracks, patchy pavement pass with little undue harshness. No S with 18s made available for test, but with 19s, ride is uncomfortably choppy on all but smooth roads. Uneven surfaces induce more structural shimmy in Boxster than in BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Honda rivals, but body flex never compromising.

Steering/Handling/Braking

Boxster w/18-in. wheels, man.
Boxster S w/19-in. wheels, man.
Boxster S w/19-in. wheels, auto.
Cayman S w/ nav. sys., man.
Class Average

10
10
10
10
8.4

Invigorating. Steering natural, communicative, responsive. Boxster rock-steady on straightaways; an agile, balanced ally in corners. S with 19-inch tires has tenacious grip in turns. Antiskid/traction system an unobtrusive safety net. Brake feel, strength inspire confidence.

Quietness

Boxster w/18-in. wheels, man.
Boxster S w/19-in. wheels, man.
Boxster S w/19-in. wheels, auto.
Cayman S w/ nav. sys., man.
Class Average

3
3
3
3
4.3

Top-down wind rush unobjectionable, and race-car-engine note delights. Top-up, engine's location behind seats means more mechanical ruckus than in front-engine designs. But top insulates well against wind rush, and road noise well-managed, considering wide, low-profile tires.

Controls/Materials

Boxster w/18-in. wheels, man.
Boxster S w/19-in. wheels, man.
Boxster S w/19-in. wheels, auto.
Cayman S w/ nav. sys., man.
Class Average

7
7
7
5
6.1

Racy, hi-tech design puts tachometer appropriately dead-ahead. It houses digital road-speed readout to supplement analog speedometer. Control layout orderly, logical, but audio, climate systems governed by too many undersized, look-alike buttons. No opportunity to test with navigation system. Rich-feeling, carefully assembled cabin materials enhance sophisticated ambience, though at these prices, we'd like Boxter to have genuine aluminum interior trim rather than painted plastic.


Room/Comfort/Driver Seating (front)

Boxster w/18-in. wheels, man.
Boxster S w/19-in. wheels, man.
Boxster S w/19-in. wheels, auto.
Cayman S w/ nav. sys., man.
Class Average

4
4
4
4
5.6

Low-slung cockpit roomy enough for 6-footers. Seats exceptionally supportive in aggressive cornering. Top-up rear visibility severely limited to corners and aft. Entry/exit demands some flexibility.


Room/Comfort (rear)

Boxster w/18-in. wheels, man.
Boxster S w/19-in. wheels, man.
Boxster S w/19-in. wheels, auto.
Cayman S w/ nav. sys., man.
Class Average

0
0
0
0
.7

(No rear seating.)

Cargo Room

Boxster w/18-in. wheels, man.
Boxster S w/19-in. wheels, man.
Boxster S w/19-in. wheels, auto.
Cayman S w/ nav. sys., man.
Class Average

2
2
2
3
2.1

Careful packing takes good advantage of cargo bays front and rear for more luggage-carrying possibilities than in many 2-seaters. And no volume is lost when roof is down. Note that Boxster and Cayman do without a spare tire, supplying instead an emergency inflation kit. Little in-cabin storage space.

Value within Class

Boxster w/18-in. wheels, man.
Boxster S w/19-in. wheels, man.
Boxster S w/19-in. wheels, auto.
Cayman S w/ nav. sys., man.
Class Average

7
6
5
4
4.7

Some less-expensive sports cars challenge Boxster and Cayman on a fun-per-dollar basis, and some like-priced competitors deliver more outright power. Few, however, match their range of strengths: road manners, mechanical sophistication, and a good dose of everyday usability, not to mention the cachet of the Porsche name.


Total Score

Boxster w/18-in. wheels, man.
Boxster S w/19-in. wheels, man.
Boxster S w/19-in. wheels, auto.
Cayman S w/ nav. sys., man.
Class Average

50
48
45
43
49

 Scores for all premium sporty/performance cars

Low Score
 37


Average Score
 49

High Score
 58

Ratings: Maximum 10 points per category
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RE: Naked Cayman APRIL 2006 Is This An RS Version 2006/04/26 08:10:56 (permalink)
Autocar April 26th Is this an RS Cayman spotted testing
 
Cayman sales not as strong as Porsche would like Wonder if pricing could be an issue.

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RE: Naked Cayman May 2006 & The Caravan! 2006/06/01 13:35:17 (permalink)
Cayman Pulls Caravan  Who needs a Cayenne
Alex Postan
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RE: Naked Cayman - NO HOTTER VERSIONS COMING Aug 06 2006/08/02 09:03:40 (permalink)
Autocar 02/08/06 Claims Porsche won't be making any hotter Caymen than the "S"

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RE: Naked Cayman - NO HOTTER VERSIONS COMING Aug 06 2006/08/16 08:18:06 (permalink)
Stola makes a 440bhp Cayman for £128,000.00

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Re: Naked Cayman - NO HOTTER VERSIONS COMING Aug 06 2019/03/27 17:12:46 (permalink)
Also, I am worried about the previous record of that car, because the car may create problems for me regarding Encumbrance records, Written off or stolen. Is it worth checking these details at https://www.quickrevs.com.au
A revs check is a must, but the one you posted is a private company.
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