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Ewen6011
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2022/10/25 16:15:15 (permalink)

997.2 questions

Hi, 
I think I have finally narrowed down my search for my first porsche to a 997.2 probably S.
I have a few questions.
First, auto vs manual? are there ant issues with either?
Second, Tiptronic vs PDK? 
Finally, I have seen on a number of groups a lot of comments about the importance if getting the oil up to temperature being important. Can anyone tell me what that is about and why it is important.
Thanks 

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Re: 997.2 questions 2022/10/25 18:41:25 (permalink)
Hi 
manual or semi auto is entirely personal choice - less cars to choose from in manual - PDK is excellent with paddles I prefer greatly over buttons on steering wheel . Very few problems with gen 2 engines .
not sure Q on oil is serious ? Any car especially a porsche should be warmed up at lower revs to heat fluids before driving hard .
post edited by waxman - 2022/10/25 18:42:34

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Re: 997.2 questions 2022/10/25 21:50:41 (permalink)
The 997.2 was only available with either a manual or PDK transmission, the latter superceding the Tiptronic transmission used on the Gen1 cars. Generally the PDK has proved to be robust and reliable but you need to be aware that it’s not repairable in the event of a failure of either the clutch pack or the transaxle in which case a replacement transmission is required … at significant cost! (~£12k??)
 
As Tony has pointed out the Gen2 engines are considered reliable and I agree with his comment about the desirability of warming-up the engine before using the full performance … but that’s good practice for any car, not just a Porsche.
 
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Re: 997.2 questions 2022/10/25 22:28:28 (permalink)
Don't believe the BS , I have been daily driving my 997.1 for 4 years now and it's never let me down . All the generations share common issues , lots of videos out there addressing the issues. I have tracked it with no issues , seen a 991.1 blow up on a track day , approved Porsche . I did see a 997.2 C4S on a track day with close to 150000 miles on the clock , it looked tatty but it performed well. Keep it well maintained , do every job that comes along and don't stick to the recommended service intervals were the oil is concerned. The most important thing , drive it regularly and don't warm it up stationary. The 997.2, the bores can score on these and its a way bigger issues than any ISM bearing which Porsche sorted on their later 997.1.

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Re: 997.2 questions 2022/10/26 10:16:55 (permalink)
We have a 997.2 3.6 manual.  The clutch is heavy, so much so that Sue doesn't try to drive it.  Clutches are meant to be good for 80k miles but the heaviness may also be down to the pressure plate, but not much point sorting one without the other (some advice was to change the clutch fluid but that didn't work).  I think £1500-£2000 for a new clutch, so at least they can be replaced.
The manual is, in my real world, slower out of the blocks and through the gears than our old 987S Boxster with the PDK box.  If you are caught in the wrong gear it feels like turbo lag, although that may be improved if you get the S.  Also you can't change gear as quickly as the PDK.  At low speeds around town and up to 40mph, and when not looking to push on, it will trundle around in fourth or fifth quite happily as there is plenty of slow speed torque.
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Re: 997.2 questions 2022/10/26 12:08:35 (permalink)
I had a 997.2 with PDK.
 
The engine was really reliable - there were a couple of minor things that went wrong (a sensor & a cam solenoid) and both were fixed under warranty.
I love PDK - and really love the fact you can blip the throttle to change gear (not kick down) so that it jumps from say 7th gear to 3rd gear ready for an overtake - I've not seen that on other double clutch boxes.
I agree on another comment re the steering wheel with paddles vs buttons - the paddles are better imo.
 
Good luck with whatever you choose to go for.
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Re: 997.2 questions 2022/10/26 12:24:57 (permalink)
Tiptronic vs PDK night and day. Tiptronic belongs in the history books in comparison. 


It’s always a good idea to warm up the oil in the engine (to 90c) before giving it the beans (>4K revs) otherwise the oil will be too viscous and won’t be able to lubricate the engine properly when needed, leading to faster wear. 
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Re: 997.2 questions 2022/10/28 08:12:44 (permalink)
Rodney Naghar
Tiptronic vs PDK night and day. Tiptronic belongs in the history books in comparison. 


It’s always a good idea to warm up the oil in the engine (to 90c) before giving it the beans (>4K revs) otherwise the oil will be too viscous and won’t be able to lubricate the engine properly when needed, leading to faster wear. 


i have a tiptronic 997 now as I am old. A lot of people say this gearbox is rubbish but it’s not. I have challenged people on this and nearly all admit they have never driven one!  It is super reliable and can be reconditioned as it’s a Mercedes’ unit at reasonable cost. Super pleased with mine. 

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Re: 997.2 questions 2022/10/28 11:58:21 (permalink)
Oh it’s absolutely not rubbish! I’ve owned a 986 and a 996 both tiptronics and really enjoyed them. Very reliable, needing only an oil change at 96k. But it’s over 25years old at Porsche and as you said has been used by Mercedes and others for years before that. 


The PDK box is many generations newer, it’s incomparably better and uses the dual clutch system (super fast response times) rather than a torque converter (slower response, heavier ‘box). 


If one was deciding which ‘box to get in a Porsche I think the PDK would always win hands down. 
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Re: 997.2 questions 2022/10/30 08:23:47 (permalink)
Thanks everyone for your posts. All very helpful 
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