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2022/08/06 02:06:13 (permalink)

New S2 owner - hello, and a question

Hello!
 
I just picked up a 1991 silver S2 coupe with blue interior today.  103K miles.  So far so good, although I'm slightly daunted about all the things that can go wrong with a 31 year old car!  It's my first classic, but not my first Porsche.
 
The guy I bought it from had done 4K miles in the 4 years he owned it, and has not serviced it during that time.  However the previous owner had a service with belts at Porsche Guildford just before he sold it.  There is a ton of paperwork which I am still to properly go through.  Several of the previous owners clearly really loved this car and looked after it meticulously.  There are old fashioned embossed type dymo labels around the car identifying when parts were changed and tyre pressures etc - which makes me slightly me misty eyed, and I will certainly leave them in place...
 
I will be taking it to Northway to let Ray take some of my money before long no doubt, but am having a look around the car to see what little things I might fix myself.
 
So here's my question - The engine seems very smooth and happy to rev but I have noticed the revs dropping a bit when turning the steering wheel at low speed - e.g when pulling out of a junction.  At very low speeds when parking there is a thrumming noise - fairly loud coming from the area of the power steering pump whilst turning the wheel.  I did a quick google and am wondering if the filter at the bottom of the steering fluid reservoir might be clogged?  Certainly the fluid is pretty black, but please let me know if I should be looking elsewhere.  I think I might also have caught a whiff of hot rubber but the steering pump belt seems in reasonable condition.
 
One more question - the car has done 103K miles and is still on the first clutch according to the paperwork.  The bite point seems quite high, but I don't know what is "normal".  There is a very slight vibration on engaging, and I wonder whether I should be thinking about replacement before it fails, to hopefully avoid damaging the flywheel?
 
Key takeaways from day 1 of ownership.
 
1.  Pop up headlights.
2.  70mph feels quite fast - this is a good thing.
2.  The sweet sweet smell of early nineties vinyl.
3.  I'm oddly proud of the bruise on my arm from first attempt at refitting the sunroof single handed (I pinched it closing the roof).
4.  Perfect for winding hilly country roads.  The narrowness of the body is just perfect for small roads, and it appears third gear caters for almost all situations.
5.  Surprisingly soft suspension, but with a little roll and still seems very happy to go round bends.
 
Olly.
 

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Re: New S2 owner - hello, and a question 2022/08/06 09:39:41 (permalink)
Welcome to the joys of strange noises!

It sounds like a power steering fluid change may be worth investing £50 in? The drop in Revs is fairly normal I think, mine does it a bit I guess on the basis that the words 'engine management system' were not advanced when these were built. My car had receipts for a new power steering pump when I got it, but I was and am still a bit unconvinced. I changed the fluid which was absolutely rank and that improved weight when parking and noise level a bit. I think The filter is about £25 and you'll need some Dexron III ATF for it. Worth replacing the reservoir while you're at it as it adds 2 minutes and gets rid of  a 30 year old part? You should be able to see if there's any scorch marks on the belt as well. 

My clutch bite point is fairly high as well, there's a bit of transmission rattle when in neutral which is normal. I did a transaxle fluid change recently which made a huge difference to noise levels. I think I also have a noisy clutch release bearing but given a clutch change is £3k, I'm just going to run that until it's screamingly obvious the clutch is cooked. 

I share your observations on the experiences - a set of shocks and rebushing everything transformed mine.




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Re: New S2 owner - hello, and a question 2022/08/06 09:48:17 (permalink)
NB - The driving experience was a lot better, but I've not driven mine since October because it looks like this...
https://drive.google.com/...x3beX/view?usp=sharing
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Re: New S2 owner - hello, and a question 2022/08/06 23:04:13 (permalink)
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NB - The driving experience was a lot better, but I've not driven mine since October because it looks like this...
https://drive.google.com/...x3beX/view?usp=sharing


Oh!
 
I'll get a power steering reservoir and some fluid and look forward to the likely seized fasteners, split hoses and tears.  It's all fun though isn't it?
 
The steering seems a bit better today.  I have done about 100 miles since picking up the car, and seeing as it only did 4,000 in the last 4 years I'm wondering if a good run in the countryside might have done some good.  I'm already in love with this car! 
I spent about 5 hours just cleaning today.  Lots of little jobs on the list.
 
1. Rear lock doesn't release boot, but switch in driver footwell does.  Guessing the lock has a switch in it which may need some attention - certainly it has cables (3 wires) going to the lock.
2. Passenger window switch doesn't work for lowering window, but does for raising.  I'll have a look at that when I do 3.
3. Replace speakers with new alpine drivers from jmgporsche (existing drivers have tears and sound terrible).
4. Replace head unit.  I don't think it's the original unit anyhow, and it's not very good.
5. Adjust headlight aim - seem a bit high when adjusted to lowest position.
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Re: New S2 owner - hello, and a question 2022/08/07 00:16:13 (permalink)
2/3 - you can disassemble the switched and clean the contacts, sounds like this is all you need. Please don’t buy the speakers from JMG, you can get them literally anywhere else (i.e. here https://wooliesworkshop.com/products/porsche-924-944-door-speakers-pair-alpine-new-rec?variant=19809137000521&currency=GBP&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIyqTKlauz-QIVB_hRCh3s9w_lEAQYAyABEgLMp_D_BwE) for a lot less too. I’m mindful of the forum name and shame policy but in many years of being in the 944 community I couldn’t send anyone to JMG in good conscience.

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Re: New S2 owner - hello, and a question 2022/08/07 00:20:35 (permalink)
Thanks.
 
Yeah, I did think I could do a bit more research and find the driver part numbers and get them elsewhere, but I was tired, and excited with my new toy like a kid so I already bought them...

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Re: New S2 owner - hello, and a question 2022/08/07 17:03:41 (permalink)
The power steering tank is the same as multi BMW Myele make a replacement which is much cheaper than Porsche and the same part
i agree with eldavo, I could not send anyone to JMG either, the replacement steering shaft they do for £200 is a £30 in parts refurb
 

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Re: New S2 owner - hello, and a question 2022/08/07 20:52:57 (permalink)
Congrats on the purchase  These cars don't really like sporadic use so you may well find quite a few things 'bed themselves back in' once you start driving it regularly. Lot's of cars only ever have the engine oil changed but regular changing of the other fluids will work wonders - gearbox oil, brake fluid, coolant etc as well as the PAS fluid as already mentioned.
 
I first bought my S2 at 95k miles back in 1998 and to me the clutch felt a bit juddery at the bite point and much higher than the modern cars I had driven before so I thought I would be replacing it soon. I finally had it replaced it at 230k miles in 2018 when the engine was rebuilt, it did feel amazingly light and positive when it was replaced though 

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Re: New S2 owner - hello, and a question 2022/08/07 21:15:57 (permalink)
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The power steering tank is the same as multi BMW Myele make a replacement which is much cheaper than Porsche and the same part
i agree with eldavo, I could not send anyone to JMG either, the replacement steering shaft they do for £200 is a £30 in parts refurb
 




 
There you go, £14 delivered:
 
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221664343309?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=oVHWpHOgT3q&sssrc=2047675&ssuid=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

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Re: New S2 owner - hello, and a question 2022/08/07 23:34:16 (permalink)
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The power steering tank is the same as multi BMW Myele make a replacement which is much cheaper than Porsche and the same part
i agree with eldavo, I could not send anyone to JMG either, the replacement steering shaft they do for £200 is a £30 in parts refurb
 




 
There you go, £14 delivered:
 
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221664343309?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=oVHWpHOgT3q&sssrc=2047675&ssuid=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY


Thanks!  I appreciate that.

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Re: New S2 owner - hello, and a question 2022/08/07 23:40:29 (permalink)
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Congrats on the purchase  These cars don't really like sporadic use so you may well find quite a few things 'bed themselves back in' once you start driving it regularly. Lot's of cars only ever have the engine oil changed but regular changing of the other fluids will work wonders - gearbox oil, brake fluid, coolant etc as well as the PAS fluid as already mentioned.
 
I first bought my S2 at 95k miles back in 1998 and to me the clutch felt a bit juddery at the bite point and much higher than the modern cars I had driven before so I thought I would be replacing it soon. I finally had it replaced it at 230k miles in 2018 when the engine was rebuilt, it did feel amazingly light and positive when it was replaced though 



Thanks Paul!  The car is already feeling better, but part of that is me getting used to driving it and the sounds and vibrations probably.  I'm really enjoying it so far, which is a good thing as developing a bond this early will help with the pain of future bills 

Brake fluid, coolant and gearbox oil were changed 4 years / 4,000 miles ago.  Clutch fluid and power steering fluid are both very dark and I will definitely change them both.

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Re: New S2 owner - hello, and a question 2022/08/10 13:25:10 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Eldavo 2022/08/10 16:30:21
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The power steering tank is the same as multi BMW Myele make a replacement which is much cheaper than Porsche and the same part
i agree with eldavo, I could not send anyone to JMG either, the replacement steering shaft they do for £200 is a £30 in parts refurb
 




 
There you go, £14 delivered:
 
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221664343309?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=oVHWpHOgT3q&sssrc=2047675&ssuid=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY


added to alternate parts thread as I didn't recall seeing this before!
thanks,
Tony
 

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