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2021/07/08 18:07:43 (permalink)

Genuine Part Verification

I have bought a new fuel pump relay 911 615 108 01.   It is described on the sellers website as "Genuine Porsche".  It arrived today and was in a box with no Porsche branding.  It is marked "Made in China".   I wrote to the seller with a polite request for advice and the reply started "I can assure you..."  Mmm..  The seller is very well established and known within Porsche circles.   My question is:  How can I be sure that this is a genuine Porsche part and as described?     Many thanks for any help.
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Re: Genuine Part Verification 2021/07/08 18:41:50 (permalink)
Hopefully someone with more knowledge on Porsche parts manufacturing/sourcing will jump in but I believe Genuine Porsche Relays use to be stamped with the part number and ''Made in Germany'' below it as per this picture :
 

 
It is entirely possible that these are now produced in China, why not and doesn't always mean bad product,  but all genuine Porsche parts I have purchased to date, from either an OPC or independent sellers have always come in Porsche branded boxes, not plain unbranded ones so I do find this a little surprising as well....

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Re: Genuine Part Verification 2021/07/08 20:23:31 (permalink)
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Hopefully someone with more knowledge on Porsche parts manufacturing/sourcing will jump in but I believe Genuine Porsche Relays use to be stamped with the part number and ''Made in Germany'' below it as per this picture :
 

 
It is entirely possible that these are now produced in China, why not and doesn't always mean bad product,  but all genuine Porsche parts I have purchased to date, from either an OPC or independent sellers have always come in Porsche branded boxes, not plain unbranded ones so I do find this a little surprising as well....


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Re: Genuine Part Verification 2021/07/09 07:57:11 (permalink)
Many posts on Porsche forums about these relays, but yes, Porsche ones are made in China and have been for 5 or 6 years
 
Our supplier in Germany puts these and some othe Porsche parts with their logo on into their own boxes for legal reasons.
 
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/970773-more-made-china.html
 
https://rennlist.com/foru...c-fuel-pump-relay.html

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Re: Genuine Part Verification 2021/07/09 08:27:33 (permalink)
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Re: Genuine Part Verification 2021/07/09 08:50:03 (permalink)
I bought one 2 years ago from an independent after market supplier, with a good reputation, and received exactly the same as you and thought "what the....!" as it was sold as Original Manafacturer Part!
 
They told me if I ordered from Porsche that's what I'd get. My pump wouldn't run with it! When I put a multimeter on it I was getting something like 20ohms on one of the closed contacts! 
 
I Googled for ages and found a few old Pelican and other US posts suggesting people weren't using them and instead bought or horded multiple old ones in order to hopefully get a good working one.
 
My original one - I noticed - had been prised open in the past and glued back together. I suspect to clean the contacts. So I therefore kept my original 
 
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Re: Genuine Part Verification 2021/07/09 08:56:26 (permalink) ☼ Best Answerby hotfrog1 2021/07/09 09:49:05
I'd of assumed - if anyones handy enough -  then its better to repair the original, unless of course it's the coil that's lost continuity. 
 
Always make sure the plug-in pins on the relay are cleaned with a bit of dry paper and all are a good tightish fit into the relay board - stroke a tiny watchmakers screwdriver down the slits towards the base to open them slightly if not. Don't over do it!
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Re: Genuine Part Verification 2021/07/09 09:46:55 (permalink)
Many thanks for the replies.   As I am not convinced, I have emailed Porsche GB with a photo to ask for their opinion.   I have not identified the retailer. 
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Re: Genuine Part Verification 2021/07/09 12:33:55 (permalink)
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Many thanks for the replies.   As I am not convinced, I have emailed Porsche GB with a photo to ask for their opinion.   I have not identified the retailer. 


It will be interesting to see what reply you receive. The fact that these come as ''made in China'' does not worry me that much, they are more than capable to produce very good quality parts.
The main issue could be that you may have the proper ones commissioned by Porsche to be manufactured at a certain plant in China and that various good suppliers will source from, but could also have a Chinese production line running in parallel with ''cheaper'' versions being produced and then sold as "Genuine" ones (it happens all the time unfortunately).
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Re: Genuine Part Verification 2021/07/09 13:36:53 (permalink)
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Many thanks for the replies.   As I am not convinced, I have emailed Porsche GB with a photo to ask for their opinion.   I have not identified the retailer. 


It will be interesting to see what reply you receive. The fact that these come as ''made in China'' does not worry me that much, they are more than capable to produce very good quality parts.
The main issue could be that you may have the proper ones commissioned by Porsche to be manufactured at a certain plant in China and that various good suppliers will source from, but could also have a Chinese production line running in parallel with ''cheaper'' versions being produced and then sold as "Genuine" ones (it happens all the time unfortunately).
Keep us posted




Thank you Franck.   I agree with your view.  Additionally,  I think "Genuine Porsche" may not have  a single meaning, unfortunately.    The daft thing is that I only bought the relay to improve reliability.   The old relay, which I think is original, is working fine but the red cap had detached and needs re-fixing with glue.  If that had not happened then I would not have replaced it.
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Re: Genuine Part Verification 2021/07/10 10:38:39 (permalink)
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Many thanks for the replies.   As I am not convinced, I have emailed Porsche GB with a photo to ask for their opinion.   I have not identified the retailer. 




No problem in mentioning you purchased from us Lawrence, I stand by my comments regarding this relay, and I think the numerous posts on the web back this up but am more than happy to refund you in full if you dont want it.
 
I too will be interested in the reply you get from Porsche GB but feel you may not even get one!
 
 

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Re: Genuine Part Verification 2021/07/12 09:32:59 (permalink)
Thank you T911UK and thanks for your input.   I certainly will come back with any Porsche UK reply that I receive.  
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