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2020/11/30 10:11:58 (permalink)

Slantnose clarification

Hi All
 
Can anyone settle a debate?!
 
I've been having a discussion with a chap regarding 930 SE's. He says a Slantnose could be ordered without the pop-up 924 headlights (situated below at the level of the front fog lights), without louvres in the front wings, standard 930 rear quarters (no intakes) and dual pipes not quad and without the power upgrade. He showed me a recent sale in classic driver link here:  https://www.classicdriver.com/en/car/porsche/911-turbo/1982/536768
 
I thought this was a bit weird as I thought to be road legal they all had to have pop-up headlights, plus they were embellished with gold badges on the steering wheel, gear stick and drop down glove boxes. I also thought all slantnoses had the power upgrades to 330hp. This description also states imported to US but I thought they weren't initially due to emissions. Can anyone with better knowledge than me cast light...?
 
Many thanks
 
Adam

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Re: Slantnose clarification 2020/11/30 11:20:23 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Toppers 2020/11/30 11:53:07
Hi Adam,
 
The early years of their special request programme saw them make almost anything the customer requested, including a 934 'race car' for the road as requested by a middle east Royal family, so yes, this car is very likely genuine. They made a few of these at the start of the 80s, without the vents & pop up lights, but not many.
 
https://supercarnostalgia.com/blog/porsche-930-sonderwunsch-flachbau-spezial-chassis-000817
 
 
The white car in question was to be supplied to the US market, so no engine upgrade as this would not meet US legal requirements at the time. A shame, takes the shine off the whole car for me,, I think more or less all the genuine (there are loads of copies and ''dealer fitted examples'' etc) European cars and uk cars had the engine upgrade which was extensive, a lot more extensive than most people realise,, certainly on the earlier cars, which got the higher lift cams too, you were looking at 65-75 extra bhp on top of the 300.
 
So the above car would have been down on power to the tune of 100bhp! (US cars had a bit less power as standard_). Obviously still highly collectable & I have seen numerous genuine US flatnose cars sell very well at auction, even though they don't have any engine upgrades, don't think US buyers expect it and some probably don't even know it exists!
 
This is my understanding of things anyhow,, happy for anyone to correct me!
 
cheers
 
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Re: Slantnose clarification 2020/11/30 11:30:07 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Toppers 2020/11/30 11:55:16
The problem that you have here Adam is that if your pockets were sufficiently deep you could order any spec that you wanted from the Special Wishes Department.
Having said that, the “standard” 930SE spec is as you describe.
I’ve only ever seen one factory slant nose with the headlights integrated into the bumper / front valance, and one without the louvres in the front wings....although there were any number of German aftermarket tuners producing 930s like these back in the day.
 
 
post edited by John_Ward - 2020/11/30 11:32:37

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Re: Slantnose clarification 2020/11/30 11:55:06 (permalink)
Many thanks Steve. Today I learned..! I would have thought that it wouldn't be road legal but I guess I am wrong...Adam

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Re: Slantnose clarification 2020/11/30 11:56:51 (permalink)
Thank you John... I'm beginning to see the complexity. Is it correct that slantnoses weren't officially registered as being such by the factory...? best Adam

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Re: Slantnose clarification 2020/11/30 13:20:35 (permalink)
Depends when built - they were given an option code sometime around 86/87. Before that its a matter of having kept the receipts from their factory workshop, but its not that hard to tell genuine cars from the privately converted. Cars were essentially taken from the production line and moved to their repairs workshop where they were rebuilt, and not all from brand new, they were also doing upgrades on existing customer cars. They do have some records, a bit sketchy - but their classic department can normally tell you if a car is genuine or not if u provide enough details.
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Re: Slantnose clarification 2021/02/23 20:40:43 (permalink)
I am a little late to the party in respect of this original thread. A few things are worth saying:
 
Firstly, all slantnose models prior to '87 model year were Euro/RoW market cars even if imported to the US as grey market vehicles - so all had 300bhp unless specified with the Turbo S engine kit (330bhp)
 
second, the first generation cars including a single 1981 prototype, had the lamps in the bumper/nose and were discontinued 1983 due to type approval issues - in some markets the headlamps were too low. They made 58 of those.
 
Porsche has kept records of slantnose builds and in fact the archive is much better now at verifying original factory cars. Barry Smith and Phil Clarke (former register secretaries) went to the archive and brought back all sorts of information on the cars.
 
third, all cars prior to the M505/M506 cars built from 87-89 were built as Sonderwunsch cars to special order from the Special Wishes catalog. Every element from the front vents, side sill rocker covers, rear wing vents, interior options, engine upgrades and slantnose bodywork were specified individually. There were multiple option codes denoting each element to the extent that the Special Wishes cars built in Werks1 were bespoke to each order. The final 930 generation M505/506 cars were built on the main production line and just finished by the Special Wishes dept. Those cars were specified with a smaller number of packaged options to the extent that most left the factory with all the body mods from factory. Those later cars could be ordered through your local dealer, whereas the earlier two generations were factory order only.
 
Hope this helps. John has my contact details if anyone wants to get together from the 930SE register. 
 
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