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Wishbone Bushes

graham harvey

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At a recent service I was told that the bushes on the front wishbones were wearing and they would soon need replacing. I've spoken to a few people who have stated that ths entails buying all new wishbones. Are you not able to just replaces the bushes with new ones - if so can anyone advise where these can be purchases from? Cheers.
 
Graham,

This is a slightly contentious issue. You will get many varied opinions so I'll just give you mine.

The bushes used by Porsche are fitted in to the wishbones at the factory and, because the bushes have internal voids to aid suspension flexing the orientation of the bushes is critical to their correct operation. For this reason the bushes are not made available for replacement "in the field". The official line is that the complete wishbone is changed. It's a relatively simple job from a labour viewpoint but will require a suspension re-alignment once new wishbones are fitted.

Because many people felt it unreasonable that the whole wishbone had to be changed a representation was made some while ago now to Powerflex with a view to them making a suitable bushing kit. This has, indeed, happened although I believe there are some restrictions as to who is allowed to sell them. I don't believe Powerflex themselves will supply direct. The Powerflex bushes do not have the internal voids a la the Porsche OEM product and therefore have no restriction on their orientation. However, according to the advice I got when mine were replaced, the labour involved in getting the old ones out and fitting the new ones is not insignificant. All very well if you are planning to do the work yourself but if you are paying someone else to do it you may finish up with something very little less expensive than changing the wishbones complete. I had JZ Machtech do mine and they recommended the wishbone change and it turned out very little different to their quote for the bushing change.

If you decide to go the Powerflex way, make sure that whoever fits them knows the "wrinkles" - failure to put enough lubricant on the shaft through the bushings apparently gives rise to longer term "creaking" in the front suspension. As long as it's done correctly the Powerflex bushes are slightly more stiff than the Porsche items and give rise to a slightly more direct feel in the steering. You might find some more detail if you search the forum for "Powerflex".

Bear in mind that the alignment is required either way.

Hope that helps.

Regards

Dave
 
Hi Dave, thanks alot for reply. Would you mind confirming the price that ZJ Machtech charged for the work and re-alignment ?
 
Graham,

It's difficult to be precise. The wishbones were charged at £161 each but the labour was mixed in with an overall £2000 service/MOT etc. etc. Seperately, they have charged £220 for a full alignment but the wishbone change only demands a check of the front alignment specifically. My 4 wheel alignment had previously been done a few months earlier so it wasn't necessary to do it all again. I'm sure they were talking about charging 4 hours labour for the bush change which would have made it a close run thing. This was all a year ago at the time of my Jan 2004 MOT so thngs may have moved on since then. It's back to JZM this week for the 2006 MOT - I just hope it's not a £2000 job again!!!

Hope that helps.

Regards

Dave

PS All those prices are exclusive of VAT
 
I was fortunate enough to secure a pair of wishbones that had already been re-bushed with Powerflex bushes (thanx Charles) as my OE set had failed after 10,000kms, of which only about 2,000kms on road.

Hopefully these will last longer. They are noticably stiffer than the original RS items -not a problem on track but some may feel this detracts on the road.

Driving out the old bushes is not a five minute job and Craig at GT1 concurrs with your findings that it's six-of-one, half-a-dozen of the other to replace the bushes only or just fit a new pair of wishbones.

If anybody wants to try I have a spare pair of wishbones (with old bushes) which I would be happy to swap if it avoids downtime on your car!!
 
John at Unit 11 Porsche,Warrington offers a service involving replacing your wishbones with ones off another 964 that he has already rebushed using nylon bushes specially made;I think he also fits grease nipples(why with the nylon/steel arrangement I can't remember).Cost around £150 complete.Your old arms then go to the next 964.I have met and spoken to one guy who has had this done and he confirmed that the car felt much taughter(but then it would after the worn ones)Tel no 01925 852000.
I have no connection except John has done the last 2 12000 services on our 964.His labour rate is £35/hr.
Last full service,13.4.05 inc fuel filter,fitting and supplying new dist belt,caps&rotor arms,changing gearbox oil came to £488 inc VAT. I supplied an official Porsche service kit plus Mobil 1
 

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