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Spongy brake pedal on RHD 944s

Just curious - and I am sure people here know the answer :)
Why oh why is the brake pedal so soft when compared to LHD 944's??

Most importantly - what can be done besides the obvious solution of putting on braided hoses?

I am really displeased with this soft pedal that makes me lack feel in the pedal :-(

Happy Easter to every one!

Niels
 
I also have a soft brake pedal on my 89 Lux which i am trying to diagnose and would be interested in other people's response to this post . I wasn't aware that LHD models generally had a firmer pedal but since the servo and master cylinder are located on the passenger side of the vehicle (RHD) might this be because of the extra brake pedal linkage running the width of the car which is required to convert the pedal box to right hand drive ? Just a guess and may be a load of cobblers [:)]
 
I've noticed slight movement/play in the servo/master cylinder on mine when the brakes are applied . I might check the linkage and see if there is play in that as well .
 
Yes - down to the twist in the cross link and bulkhead.

Play in the joins only gives more travel at the pedal before anything happens, rather than a soft feel to it.
 
I always have this issue with my race car, it keeps making me think the brakes need bleeding but then I have to remind myself it is always like this. Feels fine once being driven in anger. For some reason our 968 though has a much better pedal with hardly any slack.
 
For Heal and Toe its an advantage, - its long travel as opposed to soft pedal feel in my experience.

The 944 has the early Golf crossover linkage to the master Cylinder on RHD cars. 924's had a large proportion of VW components, air and water cooled era, thats why they were so good.[:)]

George
 
I know the mk1 and mk2 golf suffered from this issue with the linkage and you used to be able to buy a "super brakes" kit from the likes of autocavan back in the late 80's.It was a beefed up version of the linkage abd gave a firmer pedal.Although if anyone has ever driven a mk2 polo you will know that they were even worse with a soft pedal and no feel what so ever.
 
There were some cases of cracks in the bulkhead around the mounts on the drivers side in RHD cars, might be worth checking out. My master cylinder was failing last year which gave me a long spongy pedal,
Tony
 
So maybe a check up of the bulkhead and a check of the linkage to see if improvmentscan be made.
Dont think anything is moving in the bulkhead though as the car only has 75000 "gentle" miles :)
A place to buy stronger linkage would be great to know.

Happy easter!

Niels
 
I know the mk1 and mk2 golf suffered from this issue with the linkage and you used to be able to buy a "super brakes" kit from the likes of autocavan back in the late 80's.It was a beefed up version of the linkage abd gave a firmer pedal.Although if anyone has ever driven a mk2 polo you will know that they were even worse with a soft pedal and no feel what so ever.

True but for slightly different reasons. The early Golfs had drum brakes and no servo so you had to try and break the seat backs to stop. Later ones incl GTi`s had tiny servos and small calipers which werent very good so the same scenario.

Mk 1 Golfs used a bellcrank from the pedal to change the motion through 90 degrees and then reversed it at the servo (a la 944)

Autocavan sought to improve leverage and reducing lateral load also by instead rotating the (thicker) rod.

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The lateral loading (between cranks) is held by the bulkhead but point loading is the issue. Common beliefs suggest the Golfs suffer from adverse movement with the brakes but I personally havent come across much evidence of this, instead the bulkheads are stress cracked/fractured by the clutch cable and a strengthening plate is a common repair - you can see my Golf has had this done in the photos.

On the 944 it is the CLUTCH movement that fractures the bulkhead. I dont want to worry you all but I`ll bet you can see the bulkhead move below the reservoir when the clutch is used, this is a far more common issue on 944`s than people realise and adds some vagueness about pedal pressure.

An efficient servo and a good mechanical hydraulic ratio engineers out such issues and raises brake pressure for a given pedal push ie: I have fitted a larger servo and master cylinder to the Golf with larger brakes and even linear pressure stops it brilliantly with none of the issues surrounding.

A good mod is to utilise the Autocavan methods but modern brakes negate this in my view.

Here`s a couple of photos of my Golf with the old engine out before re-building to show you what the braking linkage looks like lies buried in a 944 engine bay - the rod has reverse threads each end with a lock nut to dial out slack.

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Added braided hoses this weekend and it definitely helped out - could stille be better but now it is definitely working well :)

Cheers to all!

Niels
 

ORIGINAL: stevie d

I also have a soft brake pedal on my 89 Lux which i am trying to diagnose and would be interested in other people's response to this post . I wasn't aware that LHD models generally had a firmer pedal but since the servo and master cylinder are located on the passenger side of the vehicle (RHD) might this be because of the extra brake pedal linkage running the width of the car which is required to convert the pedal box to right hand drive ? Just a guess and may be a load of cobblers [:)

This is the problem, but it was far worse on Mk1 Golf GTIs!
 
Apparently if there is any dead slack in the peddle it can be adjusted out via the rod into the servo. Wasn't aware of this TBH as it didn't look adjustable to me BTA I only looked at it once for about 10 seconds 3 years ago. EMC are currently tightening it all up for me and fitting a new throttle cable to try and dial out any slack on the peddles.
 

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