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Rust for as far as the eye can see...

simdel1

simdel1

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Well, the honeymoon is over.

I started off tracing the root case of the leak in the footwell. That seems to be a combination of aftermarket alarm fitting and blu-tac bodgery. I'll add more details on that in my 'footwell leak' thread.

While I was in the battery tray I noticed that some of the under seal was a bit 'squidgy'. So I started to probe a bit with a screw driver. After an hour of chiseling away loose under seal and silicone sealant (!) this is what I was left with...

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Not much there is solid. In fact, the inner wheel arch is paper thin and I managed to push my screw driver right through the underseal on the other side. Also, the bottom left corner of that image is completely rotten. Is there anything directly under neath that hole that i need to think about protecting before the rain comes again?

Based on this revelation I decided to check what else I'd managed to miss whilst viewing the car.

Passenger sill:
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Not too bad. Nothing abit of bilt-hamber cavity wax stuff wont keep at bay for a while

Drivers sill:
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How the hell did i miss this!!!! This looks pretty terminal to me.


I dread to think what the rest of the car is like under the under seal now.

My plan was to get a solid car that I could start restoring in a few years time. It looks like the restoration needs to start now before the car is a cumbled orange mass.

How much I've spent already and how much I'm going to have to spend in the near future hasn't quite sunk in yet...
 
Doesn't look too bad Simon, nothing a bit of home grown TLC wouldn't cure. Let's hope the underside is sound.
 
I suspect you're right guys, It just came as a bit of a shock because I hadn't picked up on these things when I was viewing the car.

I'll have to sort something out to re-seal the battery tray before I get the MIG onto it though. I'm thinking something involving duct-tape and some stiff plastic [:D]
 
Simon, as others have said, there's a lot worse out there.
How many cars of this age are still around? The numbers registered are declining quite rapidly for the reasons you highlight. Cost of maintenance is overtaking value.
George
 
That is true. I saw some absolute dogs when I was shopping around. Luckilly for this car I will be getting a proper job done of fixing it up. This was always intended to be a long-termer and that hasn't changed.

I should probably apologise for my sensationalist first post! I get a bit excitable some times [:D]
 
Assuming there have been no previous repairs then this looks all pretty decent to me for the age of the car. I've been "close and personal" to much worse than this on cars a fair bit younger! Stay calm. It'll all come good. [;)]
 
The big thing here is what you do yourself I think. Having bought a car with only the first signs of internal problems, and treating it immediately, after two years I'm now looking at:

Both sills, albeit probably only on the lower scale of work needed.
Both front wing bottoms are bad.
Real arches need attention.
Paint to all of the above, plus the whole front wings as they were badly blended in before. And the front end, as when it was painted for stonechips it wasn't laquered for some reason, and looks awful.

I'd bet that lot will cost me the car's value, on top of having spent it's value already this year on mechanicals. [:eek:]

As George says, you just can't call the purchse price a "value" nowdays, as often a service costs more than a car. The real cost of ownership has to be long-term, or you'd give up at the first hurdle.
 

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The big thing here is what you do yourself I think. Having bought a car with only the first signs of internal problems, and treating it immediately, after two years I'm now looking at:

Both sills, albeit probably only on the lower scale of work needed.
Both front wing bottoms are bad.
Real arches need attention.
Paint to all of the above, plus the whole front wings as they were badly blended in before. And the front end, as when it was painted for stonechips it wasn't laquered for some reason, and looks awful.

I'd bet that lot will cost me the car's value, on top of having spent it's value already this year on mechanicals. [:eek:]

As George says, you just can't call the purchse price a "value" nowdays, as often a service costs more than a car. The real cost of ownership has to be long-term, or you'd give up at the first hurdle.
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That is depressing - see the costs I've just posted on the sills thread. You gotta come north and reduce your costs. Especially with a name like "McNulty" ! [:D]
 
That is depressing - see the costs I've just posted on the sills thread. You gotta come north and reduce your costs. Especially with a name like "McNulty" !
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You're absolutely right about the costs in Scotland, or even the North of England. It's almost worth shipping a car up there. It does make me wary, a bit like going to Latvia to save money on your dental work, but I know that's me wanting to be able to go in and take pictures, see the work in progress etc. Labour rates in the South are a joke, I can't get an auto electrician to come out for less than £100 minimum. [:mad:]
 
Cheers for the support guys.

Paul, that does sound like quite a lot of work. With that much to do I'd be tempted to buy a Mig and an air compressor and take some eveing classes!

At the end of the day, this isn't my daily driver, it's a classic. I went into this with my eyes wide open that classics cost more than their "value" to keep running. I'm in a very lucky position where I can do most of the work myself or I know someone who can do it for me.

I took the car for a little run out to Sainsbury's (and back via Whittlesea and Thorney [;)]). The honeymoon is back on [:D]. I love driving the thing too much to stay mad at it for too long.
 
Gutted you have the rot to deal with Simon, but at least you found it now and it's not like the cars off the road, you can still enjoy it [;)]
 
hiya simon, at least when the work is finished you will have peace of mind and you cant put a price on that! all the best with the work cheers jason p
 
Simon I know a couple of good guys in Stamford. And they are good!! They have worked on both mine and Elliots cars with flawless results and reasonable price. I will try and get over some time and have a look. Or you could alwayts pop over here.
 
Andy, You're right. A little bit of crustyness doesn't stop me from enjoying it. How are you doing with your non-starting issue?

Jason, That's my thoughts exactly. I'll also know that the work has been done to the best possible standard.

Rob, That sounds like a fantastic excuse for a trip to Stamford!
 
As a lot of the guysa have said Simon, it could be a lot worse, sills look very recoverable.

The battery tray as mentioned in other theads is a weak point on early cars, which I guess is part of the reason Porsche shoved it in the boot lol

Depending on how much work you plan to do yourself with the price of mig welders these days thats not a bad idea learning to do it yourself, its not your daily so there's no rush or pressure to get it sorted, and the satisfaction of stepping back and thinking "I did that!" is immense [:D]
 
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Andy, You're right. A little bit of crustyness doesn't stop me from enjoying it. How are you doing with your non-starting issue?
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Not even taken the cover off the car since we pushed it on the drive [:(] Had not time, overseas with work a lot at the moment, off at 2am to Turkey!
 
I did mine myself so can give you an idea, sill from promax were about 220 each, then its all just mig wire, some plate for any other bits needed and other consumables, I got a £1000 respray after although you can easily get away with just doing the stonechip area down. Mine was worse than that see pics here for original condition and actually doing them http://s701.photobucket.com/albums/ww14/diabloam/
Doing it myself not including the respray worked out at only around £600, but guy I bought the car off was quoted £2500-£3000 round the Edinburgh area at a decent bodyshop, so its easy to see why the numbers of cars are dwindling, the majority of people who arent enthusiasts just will not spend this on a car, which is a shame cause these cars are way longet lasting and tougher than pretty much any sports car of there age!
 
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