To confirm, the 993 is obviously also a replica.
RS Replicas.....
- Thread starter ian harvey
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My friend Tony has had his SC written off and has narrowed his for a replacement search down to the Peppermint 964 RS replica (comprehensive spec, lovely condition, featured in a few magazine articles 5/6 years ago)and a nice looking 993RS.
Both cars currently on Pistonheads, viewing the Peppermint one tomorrow, does anyone know either of these cars, please? Probably best to restrict comment to the positive side rather than incur the wrath of those on this forum who consider negative comment on cars for sale to be unfair.
I'm not sure whether to consider the Minty car to be a very cheap alternative to the real thing or a very expensive 964 (38k). The yellow one is pretty much mainstream 993 price (34k) and probably a safer bet, looks like a lot of car for the money to me.
Ian
Both cars currently on Pistonheads, viewing the Peppermint one tomorrow, does anyone know either of these cars, please? Probably best to restrict comment to the positive side rather than incur the wrath of those on this forum who consider negative comment on cars for sale to be unfair.
I'm not sure whether to consider the Minty car to be a very cheap alternative to the real thing or a very expensive 964 (38k). The yellow one is pretty much mainstream 993 price (34k) and probably a safer bet, looks like a lot of car for the money to me.
Ian
Steve Brookes
Moderator
Kev Asbridge has been to see the minty. Here are some thoughts he put on PH: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&t=1233168&r=26206410&hm=64371&mid=64371#26206410
Both look like very well executed cars and I am sure they are great to drive. The green 964 a little more extreme. My only suggestion would be if your friend can find the extra money, rather than spending £40k on a replica spend £70k on the real thing. It is nearly double but I think the money is much safer in a genuine RS than a rep. Running costs will be similar, the market for a genuine RS will always be stronger and there are lots of special details which I am sure will make the ownership and driving experience more enjoyable. Something like this - looks in good order and Paul is a good chap. http://www.gtclassics.co.uk/NEW%20Car%20Sales.htm
davidcross
New member
Nice looking cars some of the Reps and I've thought about building/buying a rep BUT I'm a nitemare and I'd always be searching the adds for a factory car. Also if through pure fluke of ownership the original become a great investment then I'd REALLY hate myself!!! At 65k vs 40 for a rep you'd have to buy the RS at GT Classics even if u never drove it. Just IMO as they say one ph's 
PS the car at GT Classics has been up for ages so deffo some negotiation unless there's a reason it hasn't sold?????
PS the car at GT Classics has been up for ages so deffo some negotiation unless there's a reason it hasn't sold?????
davidcross
New member
If that ones sold they now have nothing for sale!
Steve Brookes
Moderator
If buying the car for an investment I would agree that it should be a real RS all the way. However, Ian's post doesn't say that his mate wants to buy the 964/993 as an investment. I'm guessing he just wants to drive and enjoy it and that both cars are at the price point he can afford. Which is way below what a real RS would cost him.
Having now seen/driven the green car I can report that it is a really nice thing with no apparent faults whatsoever. It is certainly a hardcore variant but by no means is it extreme. It goes well, pulls cleanly and is stable at speed with no crashing/rattles/free play etc. Inevitably it does not feel quite like my car not least because of the RHD and power steering but it is different rather than worse. Tony wants a car for for weekend fun, maybe an occasional trackday but his big ambition is more European tours. He also has a 2.8RSR repro long-term project. The suspension on the green car has various means of adjustment which may make this car suitable, the fully functioning air-con is a big plus point. Over to Tony, failing that, this is a good car for someone albeit a tad expensive.
davidcross
New member
Sounds awesome. I went to the auction at Brooklands this weekend and they had a couple of reps/sorted cars that no doubt cost lots to put together. One car was previously owned by Mark Sumpter apparently so properly sorted and had recent bills totaling 21k so thats where the auctioneer started the auction. That car got no better bid than 25k. Another rsr backdate got 19k bid and didn't sell. These cars are well sorted models (some more than others granted) but you rarely get back what you put in and also they become bespoke cars so worth more to the creator. I think you either build them and keep them or when u sell them accept that they are probably not worth the sum of their parts and some these days actually prefer original cars. I like the idea of a bespoke build but if i done it it'll have to be a keeper and I can't trust myself to not get itchy feet!!!!
Indeed, some of these are really tempting and extremely good value when you consider the spend involved
The build quality of some of the cars is very questionable. I recently saw a similar rep to the green car that looked fabulous but the detail work out of sight was pretty terrible. Carpet fitment, cage fitment, brake lines, oil lines all substandard, shoddy home made exhaust bypass..tbh I was quite shocked. Caveat emptor.
jason
Active member
Interesting that you say these are 'well sorted' models David. On another forum someone who looked at the same cars posted this..... "And it's the thing that bugged me........was the shoddy state of the 911's...there were a couple of 70/71 cars that were at least nearly honest looking..a US spec 1970T and a 1971E...but the rest were almost embarrassing......an 85 car badly dressed as a Martini RS...whatever that is meant to be.... a 2.2S amended to 2.4 spec...awfull cheap paint job, clearl evidence of filler to solve problems..had been so cheaply done you could see poor masking lines around the brighwork...just dreadful and clearly trying to pass as a decent car.....a bunch of 3.2's all made up as cheap RS replicas...and a 75 2.7 (not a Carrera) trying to be an RSR...but with a dash from a 3.2...so clearly dubious" I think there are a lot of cheap and nasty reps about and they don't sell or just hang around forever, especially reps of the early cars. I understand people paying £50-80k for a really good early rep of a car that is now £300k-1,000,000 for the real thing. But £40k for a rep of a £65k car seems strange to me? I'd rather pay 20k for a really nice C2 and spend £5-10k in personal mods to get exactly what I wanted... A lot of the 964C2 to 964RS body mods don't really do a great deal. A bit of money spent on some interior mods for the 'feel' when driving and then quite a bit more on the mechanicals/suspension/set up will produce an excellent driving car. Or be patient and wait for an already done one correctly to turn up at £20-25k....they do every now and then.
Steve Brookes
Moderator
This is spot on in my opinion! Those of us that have modified our C2s to make them good fast road and capable track cars are under no illusion that they can follow the prices of a true RS. Many of us have now spent huge amounts on improving and re-freshing them. At a rough guess my own C2 now owes me the best part of £40K including the purchase price (please don't mention this to the wife). Yet if I sold it now, it would be a £20K car all day long. Trying to get most of the spend back would be dreaming. The best compliment I received about my car recently was; "what I like about your car is that it's quick, fun and subtle". By that they meant, from the outside it looks like a slightly lower normal C2 that is a bit tatty. It doesn't pretend to be a RS replica. On the inside the seats and weight reduction make it look a bit more driver focused. Then once on the move the benefit of the upgraded suspension, lightness, mildly tweaked brakes and rebuilt engine immediately become apparent. I just need to become a better driver to exploit it more. [
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jason
Active member
BUT as it's your car Steve and you've enjoyed the labour of love getting it to where you want it and know exactly what it is its priceless to you. Value is only relevant to buyers and sellers....and I can't see you being one of them for a long time. Was reading your interior strip thread the other day on Rennlist - great car yours now.
davidcross
New member
And you're not asking 40k for the sale price Steve . For some it's worth more but for some who like originality it's worth less so it's horses for courses. So if the value of a sorted 964 C2 is 20-23 in original condition then maybe for some a rep is the same price. I know some that won't touch a modded 964. As I say it's horses for courses
Steve Brookes
Moderator
Indeed. The pounds that are not recovered pay for the smiles instead. [
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