Panamera 4.8 s 2010

[Dominic McGuinness]

Hi My wife & I bought a new Panamera 4.8 s Sept 2010. From new it has used 1 litre of oil per 600 to 800 miles (car has currently covered 5k miles). Our local dealer says this is normal for Panamera's and all other Porsches. I've never owned a car that goes through (Inc. Land Rovers Jags & old Bentley's) so much oil. There is no sign of oil leaks or oil residue on the tail pipes or rear end. Concerned at the dealers lack of interest. This is our first Porsche and anticipated to keep for circa 10 years - I don't want to find I've a pup in three years' time just as the warranty ends. Are there any other Panamera owners on the forum getting such high oil consumption?

Also when will Porsche make their Sat Nav's UK compliant and have 7 digit post codes available

Dominic

 

[Mark_Bennett]

Hi,

You might want to post this in the Panemera section - this area is (supposed to be!) for help with the forum software / Website itself.
You'll get more replies in the Panemera section.

(BTW Porsche allow a high consumption such as this - as do most manufacturers if you look in the handbooks, but it's rare to actually get it! I've used zero oil in 70 K miles in a Boxster S - but this is a totally different engine. To be honest I'd expect the newer V engines to be better not worse than the flat 6 which can burn a little oil as it seeps past the horizontal pistons)

 

[pauljmcnulty]

Moved for you. []

 

[dereksharpuk]

I have owned 9 new Porsches since 1999 and none, repeat none, have used much oil. In fact I cannot ever remember putting any oil in!

I totally agree with you about Porsche Sat Nav. I drove a new 997 GTS today. I tried to select my chums house in Downley, knowing full well it would not accept a full post code (unlike my £100 Tom Tom). It finally found the road, but only by selecting the post town, not the village he lives in. It did find his village, but no roads existed! Moreover, when I found the road it would not accept any house numbers. In short, the database population was rubbish. PCM 3 is definately a retrograde step as my 997 Gen 1 would easily find my chums house.

Come on Porsche, pull your finger out and provide us with reasonable Sat Nav; for a system costing over £2000 that is not an unreasonable request.

 

[garyw]

I have owned a few new Porsches and every one has used oil from new to start with.
After about 5K they slowed up in its needs...

garyw

 

[Helen Goff]

Hi Dominic, yes my panamera 4S uses far more oil than any other Porsche (20 of them) i have owned. However i find it only really uses it when i am doing long haul on a motorway so i have actually taken to carrying some with me on long journeys.

my usual country lanes and sweeping A roads its using what i would call about average.

my conclusion is that its the PDK system keeping the double clutch well lubricated while its sat in the same gear for a long time, where as when i'm on my normal A-roads its constantly changing gears and the oil gets worked through natrally.

if i am right or not i have no idea but, it makes sense to my girlie/non mechanical brain [:-] i'll ask my Porsche Centre on Monday 7th when i take my car in as its insisting it need servicing even though i've only done a little over 10k miles. []

BTW i agree about the postcode on the stat Nav, i have given up entering a postcode and enter the whole address.

 

[Helen Goff]

BTW, i've not got your details on the Panamera register if you'd like to e-mail me your name, address, membership number and a few deatils of your car then i'll pop a welcome letter and register sticker in the post for you. []

 

[BrianJ]

There have been a number of articles in the papers recently about BMW & Merc owners rejecting new cars as of "unsatisfactory quality" unless the dealer upgrades the satnav to a spec that works properly in the UK.

 

[Dominic McGuinness]

Hi Helen - many thanks for your feedback. The car's my wife's and she loves it to bits (had a Jag XK 4.2 before but getting too small with two growing boys). We have just been left without any satisfactory explanation from our dealer. I actually find their service people more than a bit arrogant. I'd like to hear what your dealer says on the 7th re oil consumption.

P.S. we have also had a thermostat failure - requiring the car to be recovered on a trailer - it shows up as a "check engine" fault light. You may wish to keep an eye out for this - great in a £80k plus car

Dominic

 

[Helen Goff]

i'll get back to you about what my OPC has to say about the oil consumption.


i have found you get very diffrent service from diffrent Porsche dealerships. i'm lucky anough to live between 5 diffrent ones.

 

[Andyg400]

The oil consumption is a direct result of the engine being DFI.

Without going into a long explanation, the RS4 also consumes oil .. again Direct Injection or as Audi call it FSI.

Also your cars will coke up as no fuel passes the valves .. just the oil mist from the crankcase which get fed back into the inlet manifold for emission reasons ..

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1325647

http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/997/167694-dfi-engine-issue.html

Does this put me off DFI. absolutely not ...

Oh, there is a product on the market for cleaning, Wynns DIP3

http://www.wynns.net/product_files/direct%20injection%20power%203%20(aerosol)%2023079.pdf

 

[ben]

After reading your post, I have had a look at the oil level in my panamera 3.6 pdk

I live in cyprus and the car was the 1st 3.6 ordered for the country, any way the car is 5 months old now, and i have just checked the oil level and it is just above the min. mark. with 8000km on the clock, will be visiting the local petrol station in the morning by get some mobile 1 for the car.

Other than that the car is a dream.

 

[Helen Goff]

[8D] any photos Ben?

 

[sivermee]

I've now completed 11,000 miles in my Panamera Turbo and it has not used any oil at all. However, I also run a Cayenne GTS which has the same DFI engine as the Panamera S and it has used about 2.5 litres of oil over 9,000 miles.

My view on oil consumption is that it is quite normal for identical cars to vary quite a lot in how much oil they use. Some of that will be down to engineering tolerances, and some down to the type of driving environment in which the car is used - and how it is driven.

I would be worried if either 1) the oil consumption was greater than the handbook allowed for (and typically Porsche allow for around 1 litre every 1,000km as a maximum) and 2) if the rate of consumption suddenly varied (i.e. got worse).

Years ago I ran an E39 M5 for 4 years, and these cars were famous for high oil consumption. Mine regularly took 1 litre every 800 miles. A friend had an essentially identical car, and it used virtually none. Both cars were consistent in their oil usage and both were fine for 60,000 miles. The rate of consumption never trouble me (apart, it has to be said, from the expense!).

Cheers

 

[Helen Goff]

just back from having my oil/service warning light re-set. spoke to them about oil consumption. there general thought (without seeing the car) was that 600-800 miles seems a bit high. they did say that at 5k miles its still pretty new so it might well settle down as it gets used more. but they said if it was mine they would suggest they test it. they would take car in check it over, fill oil to max level then get you to bring it back 500 miles later when they would run the tests again.

 

[keithn]

Sounds normal. It should settle down a bit once it has done a few thousand miles.