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944 man

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As title, based on experience can people tell me what is the widest tyre that I can expect to fit on the front of a 944? I realise that this is a difficult question, as one manufacturers 245 might be wider than anothers 255, but a rough guide would be appreciated.

I currently have 225 fronts and 255 rears and Id prefer a square setup, so 255 fronts are a possibility, but the widest that Ive ever run (a long time ago) is 245 all round...


Simon
 
A square set up may look good but would harm your turn in not to be advised on a rwd car you want a wide contact patch on the rear for heat dissapation and a thin one for pressure and grip on the front
 
Simon,
I dont know but have you tried the 255 rears on the front as a starting point, then see where they foul the bodywork?

It will aquaplane like a seadoo......[8|]

Good luck
George
944t
 
My first question would be are you suffering from noticeable understeeer? I certainly wouldnt go down to something like 225 all round as I suspect this would induce oversteer. markk seems to run a staggered setup on his race car (225f/255r) with good results. 245 on the front is going to give heavy steering at slower speeds, perhaps not an issue on a track car. Personally I'm not convinced the square setup is always best for a road car, but if you are going to change to one I would suggest a good geo would also be required to make sure the car is setup properly to deal with it.


Edd
 
your car would have originally run on 205/225 wouldn't it?

225 all round would be fine. anything more is overkill imo and would make the steering heavy.
 
I was under the impression that some of the racers in the Club Championship run 8" wheels all round.....turn in's OK for them, then? Elsewhere on here it's been suggested that the staggered look was largely aesthetic anyway.

Sorry, Simon, all a bit off topic but I also recall reading that some people fitting wider tyres had the wheel arches rolled to improve clearance? That may solve pour problem.
 
Originally a 205 & 225 car, yes. Really I should be looking at 225s all round, but I came across a pair of new 255 rears and the Yorkshire man within found this financially appealing. My series one car ran on 235/45/17 Sport Maxxs all round and it was nicely balanced.

Joe I have to refute your position. In fact, a staggered fitment may look good but it compromises the vehicles abilty. The 205 front and 225 rears promote understeer!
 

ORIGINAL: George Elliott

Simon,
I dont know but have you tried the 255 rears on the front as a starting point, then see where they foul the bodywork?

It will aquaplane like a seadoo......[8|]

Good luck
George
944t


This, of course, is an excellent suggestion. In the Summer Id probably have gone outside and tried, but in the current climate I thought Id see what everyone else knew before getting cold and wet... [:D]
 
Correct in that S2 race cars tend to run 8" rims all round and can use up to 245 wide Michelin cups all round if we want. I have kept to the 225 all round setup on the 8" rims thus far as I am not really fast enough yet to benefit from the few extra tenths the wider tyres give, noting that they are a lot of money. My rear pair of cups cost me £408 all in at Brands last year, can't recall exactly but ISTR the 245 are another 50 or 70 quid each more expensive, so yes over a grand for a set which is pretty eye watering.
 
If understeer is still a problem, put the 255's on the front and the 225's or even 205's on the rear??


just a thought [:)]
George
944t
 

ORIGINAL: George Elliott

If understeer is still a problem, put the 255's on the front and the 225's or even 205's on the rear??


just a thought [:)]
George
944t

Nice idea (only a bit illegal [:D])
 
I've run up to 285 all round and never had an issue with the steering. Ran 275 Nittos for quite a while too. Not a great idea in wet conditions but in the dry I wouldn't go back to smaller than that even on a reasonably stockish car. So long as you have power steering of course. If you are driving a modified car and get to the track, then going larger than 225 or 245 is a must in my book. Tony G in the US ran 315s all round in his V8 powered, but still road registered club racer. That's just to give you an example of what has been done. [:)]
 

ORIGINAL: Duffman502

A square set up may look good but would harm your turn in not to be advised on a rwd car you want a wide contact patch on the rear for heat dissapation and a thin one for pressure and grip on the front


The Cup race cars had 235's all round.
 
I temporarily had 255s on the front and 225s on the rear of my Turbo many years ago when I was trying to diagnose a tramlining issue. The 255s fitted fine with no fouling issues at 30mph speeds and were on an 8.5 inch wheel with 55 offset

Widest front tyre I ever tracked was 235 R rated track tyre and had no issues at high speed cornering
 
I may be playing devils advocate here but what is suitable for the track is not necessarily good for a road car. Simon you say the 205/225 setup induces under-steer, but does it really in practice? As I've said before if its there its very, very subtle, your probably just as likely to dial it out by upping front tyre pressures or adjusting camber, than by adding more expensive and heavier front tyres.

Lets not forget the 968CS ran 225/255 front rear and was still voted the best handling car by several motoring journalists at the time and is still used as an effective track (and race) weapon with the same setup.

In my limited (but practical) experience its always been the rear end that breaks out under cornering, ok probably induced by putting power on too early but the front of the car has never felt lacking in grip for me (and before ed says so yes I was going fast enough[:)]) quite the opposite in fact, and thats on track, I certainly dont ever see myself pushing hard enough on the road to induce any understeer, its barely there.

As ed has already said in the past there are arguments for both sides over on rennlist, but I feel that a lot of it is assumption that 'if a race car has it then it must be best for me', not sure if it translates equally well to the road and surely thats why Porsche still do it with most of the current models, even the balanced ones.


Edd
 
I intend the car to be dual purpose and Ive always been happy to accept some day to day compromises to achieve this. There are a number of practical advantages: high speed cornering and dry braking (track only), one tyre size for the whole car, and also disadvantages: new front wheels required and increased tramlining and weight related penalties.
 
so 225 all round would be just fine [:D]

..and why haven't you signed up to come to Bedford Simon ?
 

ORIGINAL: 944 man

I intend the car to be dual purpose and Ive always been happy to accept some day to day compromises to achieve this. There are a number of practical advantages: high speed cornering and dry braking (track only), one tyre size for the whole car, and also disadvantages: new front wheels required and increased tramlining and weight related penalties.

Fair enough, and ditto what ed said...


Edd
 
Possibly worth purchasing a 2nd set of wheels/tyres for the track days? Then I'd definitely go something wider in the fronts than 225. Because something worked well 25 years ago doesn't necessarily mean it can't be improved upon now. The Cup cars and similar drove in a different manner on what would be deemed fairly softly sprung setups of the day. They would roll and drift around the corners. Check out some of the old videos on YouTube. Quite spectacular to watch. Not entirely the most efficient way around the tracks.

Of course, if you want a decent set for all road use then you could happily run smaller and with a bit of stagger.
 
I have upped my car from 205 front and 255 rear to 255 all round.
In normal street driving the 205s are not a problem but on track the car was unsersteering in an extreme degree :-(
Fitting the wider tires has upped the balance on track immensely (and now Boxster S's are not getting by easily [:)])

Cheers

Niels
 

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