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Gah! Anyone know about S2 cams?

robdimond

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I think I've put my cams in out by 1 tooth! Not turned the engine yet so should be no damage, just annoying!

There should be 7 chain links between the cast marks on the cams according to the workshop manual, and should measure approx 113mm between the two cast marks (I measured 116mm).

The new chain didn't have gold links on it so I've put white marks on (obscured a bit by the camera flash, but where the flash is, that's where the mark is).

What do you guys think?

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Exhaust cam: (looks OK)

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Intake cam: (looks 1 tooth out to me)

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Not sure about counting the chain links. It's been a while since I did it but IIRC the workshop manual has a drawing of a template to set the angle of the cams. I then used two dial gauges as per the manual to fine tune the timing.
 
James,

I couldn't see a template in the workshop manual... only this pic:

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Wish I'd made some more marks, or photos!

At least the dial gauge procedure measures lift on the intake cam, so at least I should be able to check it this way.

Rob
 
Rob, I have not done a 16v so am useless to advise you, but I agree the photo looks to be 1 pitch out and the diagram is quite clear how it should be.

As an aside, I find these ref marks to be a bit vague, they expect us to use the cast feature instead of giving us really clear machined surfaces with scribed or etched, or even punched ref marks.

I think the Manual for the Cam timing belt on a 944t is actually wrong, but thats another story :)

be careful

good luck
George
944t
 
doesn't look right to me. The one on the left looks one tooth out in an anti-clock wise direction.It needs to go one tooth clock wise.
 
Thanks guys, that's what I thought. Hopefully I can get away with just taking the exhaust camshaft out a bit. The crankshaft is 45 degrees before TDC so should be ok. I just have to get that blasted front bridge off after loctiting it on again!
 
OK, got it sorted now... took the tensioner and exhaust cam out, moved the chain along a link and it lines up perfectly now!

Some learning experiences not documented elsewhere, maybe obvious to everyone else, but not obvious to me at the time!

The gold links do not line up with the cast marks on every rotation of the cams (really should have been obvious because the chain is a lot longer than the circumference of the sprockets!). This confused me because the original chain looked 'wrong' because I was expecting to see both the gold links at the top, instead they were completely the wrong side of the chain.

1 out of every 2 cycles of the camshaft, one of the cast marks actually aligns with the 'inner' link (so appears in between two outer links). On the next cycle the marks will align pretty well exactly with the middle of the outer link (just like the workshop manual picture).

Both of these things confused me when putting everything back, because when I took the cams out they were in the odd cycle, so it looked like the exhaust cam mark should be 'out'.

Measuring between the cast marks I got 112mm, pretty close to what the workshop manual says. So I would say 1mm out = margin of error, 3mm out = one tooth out!

The other detail missing from the other guides is how much of a pain getting the front bridge off is. I drove a plastic scraper between the two parts to get it off. I would strongly recommend (if not using the special tools to remove the cams) to take the front bridge off first and then use the single bridges to let the cams out.

Taking the bridge off completely first means you can eyeball the thrust bearing surfaces in there. It seems like the big danger when taking the cams out is that they won't come up level and then the front ends will bind in the thrust bearing and either snap or gouge the soft aluminium head. If you are at TDC #1 there is a tendency for the cams to come up at the back first (because all the cylinder 1 valves are closed), especially if that front bridge is stuck.

Now hopefully just a few hours reassembly from turning the key!
 
It runs! [:)] Only ran for 30 secs, not got up to temp yet but didn't want to die of carbon monoxide poisoning. Still got some reassembly to do and get it off jack stands... but progress!


 

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