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Cambelt tensioner cautionary tale

macandsue

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Our 1986 944 has a hard life but always been serviced and oil changed etc.The belts were done along with water pump at 79000,five years ago by Dick Lovetts at Swindon .At 116509 the belts were inspected and found to be showing no signs of wear.It was decided however that at next big Service that despite Peter Morgans assertions that the new ones last forever we would replace them ,this would be at about 122000 .We had been rushing up and down the M6 ,42 ,40 ,4 recently 600 miles return for a couple of months and an oil change was well over due.On returning from one of these forays about two miles from home a strange tinkling sound made itself known a bit like having picked up a wire coat hanger or the like.We decided to carry on as nothing else seemed to be amiss.ONE mile from home we stopped at a junction on a slight incline,Oh! the sound was still there, deciding to stop at the other side of the junction,we pulled away or rather we didn't pull away. As I let the clutch in the was a loud clunk and the engine stopped-------[:'(]forever.I guessed it was the cam belt. RAC He guessed it was the cam belt..Towed home.Phil Clark of TPC 300 came and picked it up the next day.On investigation it was clear that the cam belt was still whole but the tensioner had disintegrated so wrecking the otherwise perfectly sound engine.It is not really feasible to fix it, labour costs can't even be estimated, however I got lucky ,there was a very good engine with almost a full service history at Simon Butterworths Porschapart .New belts were fitted oil and filter and it is in and running.At the tension check shortly, a new tensioner will be done and a new water pump .Moral--- new belts ,better fit a new tensioner just in case, its got to be cheaper than a new engine . Finally if you hear sudden changes in sounds from your car, STOP, it took one mile for mine to destroy itself.[&o]
 
Are you serious, Peter Morgan said somewhere belts will last forever? And people pay the man - who is clearly an idiot on this statement alone (if true) - to inspect purchases for them? [8|] Where did he say/write that?

Bottom line is replace the belts every 3 years or 36,000 miles (whichever is sooner) and do the water pump and tensioners/rollers every second change. Sorry to hear you found out the hard way.

Take note the guy with the 13 year old belts in the Turbo cab and whoever it was who just started an engine with unknown belts...
 
I think he meant the tensioners will last for ever, not the belts.

But they won't, of course, as demonstrated above, and in an issue of GT Porsche I was reading where an exact same failure of the tensioner caused the same result.
 
OK, even if he was talking about the tensioners if he said it (presumably in print in the guise of advising less knowledgeable others) he's still an idiot. Nothing lasts for ever, especially a wear item like a bearing or a fatigue item like a spring.
 
I doubt that he did or he has been misquoted or misinterpreted - the stuff I've read of his seems pretty sound.
 
That's why I asked where he said/wrote it as it sounds a bit unlikely, but you never know...
 
Fen
The book " The Porsche924/944 book" Peter Morgan.1990 reprinted in 1998.
Page 96 " The belt is claimed to last the life of the engine."He then goes on to qualify that statement by saying that if you think you have a pre 1985 belt,which one would assume would not be the case in a 1986 onwards car that you should change it at 30-35000 miles.The final comment in this section is quote.""With correct preventative maintenance the timing belt will be trouble free.""Well we did all the right stuff with the belt as I said, despite his assertions.This however didn't help the poor old tensioner.Scary though ennit ? It does make it sound like if you have the later belt and you check its tension ,up to 1987 model ,it will last forever.
Needless to say our S2 cab will probably have it checked every month even in the winter when it doesn't go out.PARANOID? What ME?£££££££££££[:eek:]
 
I have that book too but I don't remember reading that paragraph. I shall have a look to see if my edition is the same.
 
Chaps
On a different note the service interval for the belt on a Focus TDDi is 100k miles. I got both the belt and tensioner changed at 80k and the dealer said I was being Paranoid ! I would change the belt and tensioner on a 944 every 30k or 3 years just to be safe....!
 
Just a thought but as I shall be changing my belts etc... when my tensioning tool arrives from the states, if the spring tensioner is such a pain in the ass, can it not be changed for a manual one from a pre-85.5 944? Surely a roller with a stud through it is more reliable than one with all the other gubbins attached? As it happens I don't believe that the spring does a great deal after the tensioner is locked or am I wrong?
 
Once it's locked, the sping does nothing. It (theoretically) allows you to slacken off the slide-nut so that the spring pushes the roller against the belt at the correct tension at which point you re-lock it. How accurate it is I don't know.
 
I have the book also so I'll check later if I remember.

Why do you say it's a can of worms Robert?

Porsche state 48k miles or 48 months so 36/36 is already taking a 25% extra safety margin - I don't think you need to drop to 30k.

I think the later tensioner is supposed to be an upgrade, but I don't know why - perhaps we need Jon as technical rep to comment on that one.
 
Porsche state 48k miles or 48 months so 36/36 is already taking a 25% extra safety margin - I don't think you need to drop to 30k.

This assumes that the belt is from a reputable known manufacturer or ideally an OEM or Porsche approved belt. I`ve seen `belts etc` advertised on flea bay but they dont say they are Porsche approved or OEM fitment.
 
I think the important issue here is being lost .It doesn't matter who says what about how long they last

The belts in my Lux lasted 8 years , belts in other cars fail after 2-3 years ?!

Ithink the way a car is driven and used has a lot to do with longevity.

. The belts and tensioner cost very little compared to a new engine( potentially a worthless car .if they fail). I'd say if in doubt change them more often than recommended [:D]
 
I think the important issue here is being lost .It doesn't matter who says what about how long they last

The belts in my Lux lasted 8 years , belts in other cars fail after 2-3 years ?!

Ithink the way a car is driven and used has a lot to do with longevity.

Belts do definitely age with time so go for three years even if you havent done 30-40,000 miles.

I personally ignore manufacturers and oil change cars every 6K even when the manufacturer says every 12K and same with belts, I assume they are worn at 75% of the manufacturers ideal.
 
ORIGINAL: Mark Bennett

My copy (98 reprint) says the same thing...

as does mine. It says the belts are 'claimed to last the lifetime of the engine' but doesn't elaborate on that. I suppose it's true: if your belt fails the engine has reached the end of its life. QED.
 
ORIGINAL: xenon
I suppose it's true: if your belt fails the engine has reached the end of its life. QED.

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god these are seriously cr** smilies. I need a magnifyer to even see them
 

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