My S2's front brake pads and discs need replacing before the trip to Le Mans. I intend to use standard discs but would welcome comments about pads. Anyone had any exprience of 'Greenstuff' by EBC? Any other comments, Pagid? Mintex? My driving is confined to the road and although I use as much performance as is reasonable I tend to be light on the brakes.
Brake Pads
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Diver944
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Tony, I have used EBC Greens on my S2 and found them to do just what they say with a lot less dust to clean. They felt identical in terms of stopping power to the OEM pads so they are a good alternative. However I use OEM Textar pads now because I get through pads so quickly and they are much more cost effective
I've found that currently the best prices for OEM pads and disks are from www.gsfcarparts.com or www.eurocarparts.com
Check the post at the top of our forum for an extra 10% off Eurocarparts if you speak to our contact there and they curently have free delivery if you order over £50 [
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I've found that currently the best prices for OEM pads and disks are from www.gsfcarparts.com or www.eurocarparts.com
Check the post at the top of our forum for an extra 10% off Eurocarparts if you speak to our contact there and they curently have free delivery if you order over £50 [
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Diver944
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The pads themselves will be flat on the back and they just slip in to the calliper. Porsche sell anti vibration pads which are supposed to stop any squeal or chatter. They look like a spider with a sticky pad on it's back, the spiders legs clip in to the pistons of the calliper and the sticky pad attaches to the back of the pad. I've never used them, but smear the back and sides of the pad with copperslip and that stops any squeal
Last time I checked, they cost £2 +vat per spider and you need 4 per calliper
Last time I checked, they cost £2 +vat per spider and you need 4 per calliper
Neil Haughey
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Some aftermarket pads designed for Porsche cars have built in anti-squeal shims as well which also negates the need for the tape on things that you are supposed to use with stock pads.
Having just had a rough time with pad rattle on the back of an S2 (it's hellishly loud), I can confirm that my pads have thick sticky/spongy pads on the back of them but no springs or spiders, as per Paul's description.
The chatter is dealt with by means of the cruciform springs, which hold the pads in place. These should need to be forced closed, against the edge of the brake pads - thus holding the brake pads firmly in place. If these springs are slightly twisted, or the caliper plates (which define the stop point of the pads) are slightly bent, the pads will not be held tight and the pads will rattle.
To make things worse, the cruciform springs are slightly curved when in position, so as the pad wears, it moves into the middle of the curve and gets looser ...
(A good bit of plate lift would cure the whole problem, but we are not allowed to expound that as a good idea on here!)
Oli.
The chatter is dealt with by means of the cruciform springs, which hold the pads in place. These should need to be forced closed, against the edge of the brake pads - thus holding the brake pads firmly in place. If these springs are slightly twisted, or the caliper plates (which define the stop point of the pads) are slightly bent, the pads will not be held tight and the pads will rattle.
To make things worse, the cruciform springs are slightly curved when in position, so as the pad wears, it moves into the middle of the curve and gets looser ...
(A good bit of plate lift would cure the whole problem, but we are not allowed to expound that as a good idea on here!)
Oli.
It sounds like they may have supplied you with pads for a brake upgrade model.
Lots of info on here, but broadly there are three caliper sizes.
1. S2 & 220. 'Small Blacks'.
2. 250. 'Medium-sized blacks'.
3. Optional upgrade to any of the above models - 'Big Blacks'.
(I think the above is correct, but someone will be along soon to correct me if not.)
Oli.
Lots of info on here, but broadly there are three caliper sizes.
1. S2 & 220. 'Small Blacks'.
2. 250. 'Medium-sized blacks'.
3. Optional upgrade to any of the above models - 'Big Blacks'.
(I think the above is correct, but someone will be along soon to correct me if not.)
Oli.
Fat Albert
New member
Thanks Oli!
Thought I was going mad, they even said Porsche 944 turbo on the box (as well as 959!)
Thought I was going mad, they even said Porsche 944 turbo on the box (as well as 959!)
Fat Albert
New member
Yes it is a 220, so you could well be correct, I will call them later
As Ian says, a whole axle but not all wheels. Would just say dot leave it ticking over!
Whole axle - yes. Work out which one is the problem and do all four on that axle. If it's a Turbo or S2 (hence with Brembo calipers) it is a very, very easy job.
These people:
http://www.brakeparts.co.uk/
... were MUCH cheaper than anyone else for pads for my S2 when I last bought them. Delivery is steep, but despite that it all worked out cheaper than the likes of GSF/ECP etc. And if you buy two sets then it is cheaper still as you still pay the same for delivery.
I once drove a car (Pug205) about 1/2 mile without a radiator. You'll be fine, but make sure there isn't anything else missing before firing it up which may cause damage. Dangling wires hanging into the fanbelt is another one to look out for.
Oli.
These people:
http://www.brakeparts.co.uk/
... were MUCH cheaper than anyone else for pads for my S2 when I last bought them. Delivery is steep, but despite that it all worked out cheaper than the likes of GSF/ECP etc. And if you buy two sets then it is cheaper still as you still pay the same for delivery.
I once drove a car (Pug205) about 1/2 mile without a radiator. You'll be fine, but make sure there isn't anything else missing before firing it up which may cause damage. Dangling wires hanging into the fanbelt is another one to look out for.
Oli.
DavidL
Active member
Any value in anything other than OEM?
Pagid rs42 too expensive!
Yellow stuff maybe
anything else?
ETA - wish I hadn't asked that - a bit of digging gives every opinion on every type - little of it consistent.
ECP are offering ebc yellow and pagid red
Oli's link are £30 +VAT.
Worth a call tomorrow
Pagid rs42 too expensive!
Yellow stuff maybe
anything else?
ETA - wish I hadn't asked that - a bit of digging gives every opinion on every type - little of it consistent.
ECP are offering ebc yellow and pagid red
Oli's link are £30 +VAT.
Worth a call tomorrow
When I called them I thought they were going to be too good to be true, and they were going to send compressed-grass based pads, or worse. As it was, they were very helpful and friendly. I asked the guy to get the parts from his store and confirm that they were mintex (or pagid, I can't remember which), and they were, and I have him my details and bought them.
I *think* they are mainly aimed at selling into the trade, hence the very low prices. Buy they seemed happy to deal direct with me, for small order.
Oli.
I *think* they are mainly aimed at selling into the trade, hence the very low prices. Buy they seemed happy to deal direct with me, for small order.
Oli.
ChasR
New member
EBCs seem to get a mixed blessing on this forum. On the two cars I tried with them (both French hatches I admit (a 306 GTi-6 (a car where the brakes were very praised) and a Clio 172) the Greenstuff pads were shocking even with new discs/pads and hoses/racing brake fluid. As soon as the owner of the Clio went to Mintex M1144s the brakes were a vast improvement, over stock too IMO (I drove that car a few times). No fade when I drove it, and superb cold bite. Well, it did persuade me to get a set for the 205 which now stops superbly.
So I'd look out for the M1144s on your car if the Pagid Blues are pricey (although I hear they are also a superb pad). I'll see what my Peugeot modding shop can do on those for a 944 (He sold me the 205 pads at a very competitive price).
So I'd look out for the M1144s on your car if the Pagid Blues are pricey (although I hear they are also a superb pad). I'll see what my Peugeot modding shop can do on those for a 944 (He sold me the 205 pads at a very competitive price).
sawood12
New member
I've said it before - what is wrong with standard pads? Porsche have always been famed for their brakes and aftermarket pads are often not any cheaper and introduce compromises - i.e. corrosive dust, chew up discs (which are far more expensive than pads), noisy and squealy pads and poor cold performance. These may be acceptable compromises for track and race cars but for road cars what advantages are aftermarket pads giving you? They don't stop you any quicker - you can lock up your wheels or kick in the ABS on command with standard pads so they are plenty man enough. It seems to be the first thing people jump to with pads - and as far as I can see for no real need or because they have found problems or the limits of standard pads. If you're out-driving the standard braking system on the road you're either doing something terribly wrong and need to go back to BSM, or need your license taking off you.
DavidL
Active member
Nothing wrong with modifying cars, we all do it.
Technology moves on so why not consider alternatives?
But everyone has an opinion, I was just casting about for them.
Thanks for everyones' contribution.
Nothing wrong with OEM at all, I don't think anyone was suggesting that necessarily.
Clearly brake pads are an emotive subject.
Technology moves on so why not consider alternatives?
But everyone has an opinion, I was just casting about for them.
Thanks for everyones' contribution.
Nothing wrong with OEM at all, I don't think anyone was suggesting that necessarily.
Clearly brake pads are an emotive subject.
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