944 Auto wanted
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Hi Paul
There is more than a world of difference between a 944 auto (3 speed Audi unit I think) and a 968 Tiptronic with an equivalent price differential!!!
944 Autos are cheap with relatively poor performance whereas th 968 Tip a much better comparison with a manual.
There are a couple of 944 on ebay that I noticed earlier.
There is more than a world of difference between a 944 auto (3 speed Audi unit I think) and a 968 Tiptronic with an equivalent price differential!!!
944 Autos are cheap with relatively poor performance whereas th 968 Tip a much better comparison with a manual.
There are a couple of 944 on ebay that I noticed earlier.
TISPKJ
New member
Hi Mike, yes I appreciate there is a big difference between the 2 cars and sorry for posting on the 944 forum but the 968 is a better car your right albeit at a price.
There are a few on ebay your right but im not going to travel if I dont have to, im leaning towards the 968but if a nice 944 came up in the right colour that had been well cared for at half the price I would probably jump at it.
The red one on ebay currently looks nice with good history at a dealers but would prefer a members car if possible.
Regards
There are a few on ebay your right but im not going to travel if I dont have to, im leaning towards the 968but if a nice 944 came up in the right colour that had been well cared for at half the price I would probably jump at it.
The red one on ebay currently looks nice with good history at a dealers but would prefer a members car if possible.
Regards
pauljmcnulty
Active member
Mike's right, they are two totally different cars. One is a 944 Lux with a 160BHP engine strangled by an old-fashioned auto box, the other is at least better in that it's a 210-ish engine strangled by an auto box with a more modern name. [&:]
I know it'll upset 944 auto owners, and I appreciate that they are fine cars if that's what you want, but unless you absolutely have to own a Porsche, it absolutely has to be a two-pedal car, and you have no more than a couple of £K to spend over the first year or so, avoid them. If your budget won't stretch to the infinitley better 968 Tip (and it's undervalued compared to the manual 968s), then I'd suggest you'll struggle with the running costs of a 944.
It's worth considering that if you factor in servicing, insurance, MOT, Tax, fuel etc, plus inevitable extras such as body restoration or any of the well-documented weak points on any 20-plus year old Porsche, a 944 auto might easily cost more to run every year than it cost to buy. £s-per-mile a decent 968 Tip might well be the cheaper car to run, and it's a far better car to drive.
I know it'll upset 944 auto owners, and I appreciate that they are fine cars if that's what you want, but unless you absolutely have to own a Porsche, it absolutely has to be a two-pedal car, and you have no more than a couple of £K to spend over the first year or so, avoid them. If your budget won't stretch to the infinitley better 968 Tip (and it's undervalued compared to the manual 968s), then I'd suggest you'll struggle with the running costs of a 944.
It's worth considering that if you factor in servicing, insurance, MOT, Tax, fuel etc, plus inevitable extras such as body restoration or any of the well-documented weak points on any 20-plus year old Porsche, a 944 auto might easily cost more to run every year than it cost to buy. £s-per-mile a decent 968 Tip might well be the cheaper car to run, and it's a far better car to drive.
TISPKJ
New member
Hi Paul, thanks for the comments and info.
I would agree with all that you have said above, a 944 certainly in auto mode wont exactly light my fire after GT3's and the like however I am buying one for my wifes big birthday coming up, I doubt she will ever use it to be honest, half a chance if its an auto, so my dillema is do I have 2k sitting in the garage doing nothing or 6k ?
I would use the car very little as I recently defected to Ferrari, maybe I would use for a couple of the french club runs we do each year as they got the hump for some reason when turning up in a rari.
To me the 968 looks a lot more modern with cleaner looks and I am sure drives a whole lot better and then I see things like this below which with my RS speedline copies on would look rather nice.
Whats your thoughts on the car below please
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1988-E-PORSCHE-944-/150693249238?_trksid=p5197.m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D5%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D5460879737112319781
I would agree with all that you have said above, a 944 certainly in auto mode wont exactly light my fire after GT3's and the like however I am buying one for my wifes big birthday coming up, I doubt she will ever use it to be honest, half a chance if its an auto, so my dillema is do I have 2k sitting in the garage doing nothing or 6k ?
I would use the car very little as I recently defected to Ferrari, maybe I would use for a couple of the french club runs we do each year as they got the hump for some reason when turning up in a rari.
To me the 968 looks a lot more modern with cleaner looks and I am sure drives a whole lot better and then I see things like this below which with my RS speedline copies on would look rather nice.
Whats your thoughts on the car below please
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1988-E-PORSCHE-944-/150693249238?_trksid=p5197.m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D5%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D5460879737112319781
andy watson
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Hi Paul,
Looks a pretty good for the money, and as a cash buyer you would be able to get it for less than the screen price, obviously you will need to check out the sills etc.
The history and MOT Certificates sounds good and you Can have a good check that the car is genuine.
The belts will need changing next year.
But to me from the pictures it looks like a manual car!
Looks a pretty good for the money, and as a cash buyer you would be able to get it for less than the screen price, obviously you will need to check out the sills etc.
The history and MOT Certificates sounds good and you Can have a good check that the car is genuine.
The belts will need changing next year.
But to me from the pictures it looks like a manual car!
Interesting. I always thought that the 968tip was a really poor cousin of the manual 968's, but have never driven either so am speaking from a position of total ignorance. As far as I am aware, modern 'tips' are sequential manual gearboxes which have the gears swapped by machine. Older 'tips' (such as the 968) are automatic gearboxes which have a manual over-ride. I understand the difference between a manual and an automatic gearbox in terms of the dirty, greasy bits, but don't fully understand much more than this.
Hard to tell. I know that automatic versions of some cars have much more 'manual-like' gearlevers, with a leather gaiter. Perhaps the is 944 one of them?
OP - all the best with your search. Can't help but think that if you are blatting around in a Ferrari, it's a bit mean to expect your wife to slum it in a 944 lux auto - non? (And yes, I said this on a 944 forum, and I have never liked Ferraris!)
Oli.
Hard to tell. I know that automatic versions of some cars have much more 'manual-like' gearlevers, with a leather gaiter. Perhaps the is 944 one of them?
OP - all the best with your search. Can't help but think that if you are blatting around in a Ferrari, it's a bit mean to expect your wife to slum it in a 944 lux auto - non? (And yes, I said this on a 944 forum, and I have never liked Ferraris!)
Oli.
pauljmcnulty
Active member
If you look closely at the interior pic it's got the gearstick fully forward in "park", and the marks for P,D, etc. on the console to the right of the gearstick.
pauljmcnulty
Active member
Correct, it's nothing to do with the modern flappy-paddle 'boxes, just an old-fashioned slush-box derived from the 944 auto box with a manual override.
I've not driven on, but the S2 engine is so relaxed and torquey that I think it would make a pretty decent auto car. A 968 auto seems a good proposition with the bit more power they have. [8|]
Both share rubber damper which will eventually let you down. Porsche did a stupid thing when they adopeted 944 damper directly to 968 models. Damper can handle 163hp, but 240hp is just too much.....
I have changed once 968 damper; won't do it again . I would not buy either 944 or 968 automatic.
Copperman05
New member
Apparently the issue with the 968 tip is the manual override has a very slow gear change, sort of defeats the object really...
Edd
Edd
I've owned a manual 944 Turbo and a 968 Tip, the latter seemed more refined as the suspension had some improvements allowing improved handling.
As for the box, I always used the tip in manual mode only trying auto about twice in 2 1/2 years and it wasn't terribly slow to change about 1/2 second lag which could be allowed for but off the line it was like having a slipping clutch which I hated. 944 auto will not be so good.
As for the box, I always used the tip in manual mode only trying auto about twice in 2 1/2 years and it wasn't terribly slow to change about 1/2 second lag which could be allowed for but off the line it was like having a slipping clutch which I hated. 944 auto will not be so good.
duncs
New member
that red 944 on ebay has been kicking around for a while...it's also to be seen languishing on autotrader if i'm not mistaken. there's a silver one that's just popped up on ebay too, if you search for '944 automatic' it comes up, £2450 or thereabouts methinks.
i am a fan of the 944 auto, and wouldn't change my car for the world, it's not a bad car to own and run provided your expectation is set appropriately for the type of car that it is, and that you follow the mantra that applies to any 944 - pick a good one that has been carefully maintained, and do the preventative maintenance in the first couple of months of ownership.
i'll be the first to admit that i am lazy. i like the auto box because i hate crunching gears in traffic, and to be honest, i can't avoid traffic day to day, so the auto is the obvious choice. this isn't a high days and sundays car to me, it's a regular, day to day driver. the last manual porsche i had, well, i went from no driving licence points to 6 within the first 4 weeks of owning it, and then giving an additional 3 to my wife, so having the more sluggish auto is far more in tune with my insurance company, my driving licence, and, on reflection, my marriage!
it's a personal choice, but i prefer the styling on the 944 as it's more period to the 80's whereas the 968 looks like it populates a kind of limbo time, which in its lifecycle as a new car, i suppose it did. whilst the 944 is no oil painting at dusk, the 968 to me looks gawky and clumsy when the lights are up, and when they aren't, it still looks like its dentures are a size too big for it. ok the 944 looks a little toothy at the front, but when i had a 928 i felt it suffered from the same dentistry as the 968, although the 928 just looked -too- goofy. interior-wise the experience of the 968 and the 944 is similar, and overall for the price i think for my needs at least, the 944 auto seems to have been a pretty good choice. i can see why people would move from the 944 to the 968, but for me, once i tire of my 944, i'm thinking 964!
i am a fan of the 944 auto, and wouldn't change my car for the world, it's not a bad car to own and run provided your expectation is set appropriately for the type of car that it is, and that you follow the mantra that applies to any 944 - pick a good one that has been carefully maintained, and do the preventative maintenance in the first couple of months of ownership.
i'll be the first to admit that i am lazy. i like the auto box because i hate crunching gears in traffic, and to be honest, i can't avoid traffic day to day, so the auto is the obvious choice. this isn't a high days and sundays car to me, it's a regular, day to day driver. the last manual porsche i had, well, i went from no driving licence points to 6 within the first 4 weeks of owning it, and then giving an additional 3 to my wife, so having the more sluggish auto is far more in tune with my insurance company, my driving licence, and, on reflection, my marriage!
it's a personal choice, but i prefer the styling on the 944 as it's more period to the 80's whereas the 968 looks like it populates a kind of limbo time, which in its lifecycle as a new car, i suppose it did. whilst the 944 is no oil painting at dusk, the 968 to me looks gawky and clumsy when the lights are up, and when they aren't, it still looks like its dentures are a size too big for it. ok the 944 looks a little toothy at the front, but when i had a 928 i felt it suffered from the same dentistry as the 968, although the 928 just looked -too- goofy. interior-wise the experience of the 968 and the 944 is similar, and overall for the price i think for my needs at least, the 944 auto seems to have been a pretty good choice. i can see why people would move from the 944 to the 968, but for me, once i tire of my 944, i'm thinking 964!
duncs
New member
good luck with that, i am sure they are a bit faster in red!
one of the lingering issues i recall when i had a red 944 was that the paintwork was quite high maintenance, i t-cut it a bit but still couldn't avoid being a professional amateur when it came to keeping the paintwork gleaming!
one of the lingering issues i recall when i had a red 944 was that the paintwork was quite high maintenance, i t-cut it a bit but still couldn't avoid being a professional amateur when it came to keeping the paintwork gleaming!
There's a metalic grey one on ebay only 2 miles from me.Would be happy to have a look at it for you.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PORSCHE-944-2-5-AUTOMATIC-REALISTIC-PRICE-/190624037046?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item2c6213f8b6
Looks like a fairly clean car.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PORSCHE-944-2-5-AUTOMATIC-REALISTIC-PRICE-/190624037046?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item2c6213f8b6
Looks like a fairly clean car.
TISPKJ
New member
Hi Colin, sorry only just seen your reply. I about an hour ago put in a cheeky bid on a 968 (which I suggest will get rejected) .
I need the car for this coming weekend.
If you happen to be passing that car anytime very soon please let me know however like me you are probably restricted to weekend viewing.
Regards
I need the car for this coming weekend.
If you happen to be passing that car anytime very soon please let me know however like me you are probably restricted to weekend viewing.
Regards
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