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Re: Started.... S2 Clutch Replacement - Flywheel Recommendations? 2018/02/09 08:57:06 (permalink)
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Tom, 
 
Don't mistake the first rule of sales; the cost of the item for the supplier to buy has no bearing on the price they sell it at; that is determined solely by what someone is willing to pay .... 
 
I'm going to go out on a limb and say I probably wouldn't go with the short-shift kits. 
Stay away from the paint. It takes time, costs money and adds weight. And no-one will see it underneath the car. 
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Really ?  "The price of goods is determined solely by what someone is willing to pay" ???
The cost of any item + all the running expenses of any business determines what price they HAVE to sell it at to
to make a Gross profit. The Profits are then used to pay for everything to run the show (Staff, Overheads etc..)
 
Whats left is called the NET Profit.
 
It's this bit which differs from one product to the next and also from One industry to another, some products and services
have vastly higher profit margin percentages, others are much lower and you only have to look at all the biggest Multi Millionaires in the world to see which Industries they dabble with because they are highly profitable. 
 
The only way anything is priced high and still sells well is determined by the market,not what people are willing to pay.
 
Many highly profitable Products are marketed so well, the consumer has no idea somebody is making a lot of margin from them
and they think they are getting a good Deal! This is the ultimate goal for any business to essentially "Trick" consumers that they
are not ripping them off! but actually helping them out ! 
 
 
Tom's 944 S2 is a Racing car and will benefit in this sport from a shorter shifting throw. 
 
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Re: Started.... S2 Clutch Replacement - Flywheel Recommendations? 2018/02/11 20:15:20 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Eldavo 2018/02/12 22:18:11
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The only way anything is priced high and still sells well is determined by the market,not what people are willing to pay.


"The market" & "what people are willing to pay"
They are the same thing. Please let's not have a long debate about economic theory & let's get back to clutches...

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Re: Started.... S2 Clutch Replacement - Flywheel Recommendations? 2018/02/12 22:34:34 (permalink)
Hi Steve - I'm probably going to pass on the mount thanks - the extra budget been blown on the new flywheel and try the goo trick.
 
I've managed to get the flywheel off as my new bits have arrived today. Concern about removing the pilot bearing though - the slide hammer I have is too big to get it square to the crank palm - before I go down the route of getting it modified/shorten does anyone else have a better technique for removing? Bearing feels ok but guess whilst I'm here I should.
 
Oh speaking of mods - I'm going to get my housing "notched", seen a few online which are the two sensor setups so think my proposal is fine as I want a bit more wriggle room on the 1 sensor setup.
 
Red lines mark the basic cuts to enable me to slide the housing on with sensor fitted - think this is the normal approach.
 
Orange lines is the additional wriggle room - I want create clearance for the dowel fitting (blue arrow) in order to remove the sensor whilst the housing is in place - why? Mainly because my sensor is fused to the bracket, plus if the sensor is damaged or faulty in future is an easier swap out - any concerns or anyone had similar thoughts?
 
Cheers Tom
 
 

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Re: Started.... S2 Clutch Replacement - Flywheel Recommendations? 2018/02/13 00:45:00 (permalink)
Never tried it, but supposedly filling the pilot bearing with grease and then hammering in a close fitting bar forces out the bearing. Google it.
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Re: Started.... S2 Clutch Replacement - Flywheel Recommendations? 2018/02/13 10:02:17 (permalink)
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Re: Started.... S2 Clutch Replacement - Flywheel Recommendations? 2018/02/15 10:30:48 (permalink)
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Hi Steve - I'm probably going to pass on the mount thanks - the extra budget been blown on the new flywheel and try the goo trick.
 
I've managed to get the flywheel off as my new bits have arrived today. Concern about removing the pilot bearing though - the slide hammer I have is too big to get it square to the crank palm - before I go down the route of getting it modified/shorten does anyone else have a better technique for removing? Bearing feels ok but guess whilst I'm here I should.
 
Oh speaking of mods - I'm going to get my housing "notched", seen a few online which are the two sensor setups so think my proposal is fine as I want a bit more wriggle room on the 1 sensor setup.
 
Red lines mark the basic cuts to enable me to slide the housing on with sensor fitted - think this is the normal approach.
 
Orange lines is the additional wriggle room - I want create clearance for the dowel fitting (blue arrow) in order to remove the sensor whilst the housing is in place - why? Mainly because my sensor is fused to the bracket, plus if the sensor is damaged or faulty in future is an easier swap out - any concerns or anyone had similar thoughts?
 
Cheers Tom
 
 




All makes sense to me - wish I'd done mine..

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Re: Started.... S2 Clutch Replacement - Flywheel Recommendations? 2018/02/15 10:59:30 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby sweetcorne 2018/03/06 07:12:41
There is a very easy way of getting the bearing out.
 
Buy a 10mm anchor bolt, take the wire off it, remove one of the 4 split pieces , put the wire back on, this should now fit through the pilot bearing, nip up the nut and the three remaining 'legs' expand behind the bearing, grip the thread with pliers and a tap with a hammer pulls the bearing. Basically it's a cheap small bearing puller.
 
This is how I did mine and it was out in minutes.
 
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Re: Started.... S2 Clutch Replacement - Flywheel Recommendations? 2018/02/15 17:59:15 (permalink)
that's just quality Paul!!!

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Re: Started.... S2 Clutch Replacement - Flywheel Recommendations? 2018/02/15 18:39:15 (permalink)
I forgot to add you need to use a large socket as a spacer to pull the bearing into, I have 3 photos that show the "tool" in action but I'm rubbish at posting photos, I can email them to someone if they would post them on here ?
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Re: Started.... S2 Clutch Replacement - Flywheel Recommendations? 2018/02/16 13:04:00 (permalink)
Paul - like your idea. I have shorten my slide hammer but the hook on it seems to spread / bend out rather than tug the bearing out! You can email your pics to my account and Il add them - tommy.simo86@gmail.com
 
I'm picturing something attached below (using my rushed Excel art skills!)... possibly with the nut on the inside of the large socket? rather than as pictured on outside?
 
 
 

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Re: Started.... S2 Clutch Replacement - Flywheel Recommendations? 2018/02/16 14:18:51 (permalink)
That would be interesting getting a spanner/socket on the nut to withdraw the bush!

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Re: Started.... S2 Clutch Replacement - Flywheel Recommendations? 2018/02/17 11:22:39 (permalink)
Tommy, pics sent 
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Re: Started.... S2 Clutch Replacement - Flywheel Recommendations? 2018/02/17 17:28:40 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jasonp 2018/02/18 12:37:50
PAUL RUDDY
I forgot to add you need to use a large socket as a spacer to pull the bearing into, I have 3 photos that show the "tool" in action but I'm rubbish at posting photos, I can email them to someone if they would post them on here ?




Send them over to me, I will post them
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Re: Started.... S2 Clutch Replacement - Flywheel Recommendations? 2018/02/19 13:14:39 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Cater_Racer 2018/02/19 13:53:16
Pictures From Mr Ruddy.......
 



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Re: Started.... S2 Clutch Replacement - Flywheel Recommendations? 2018/02/19 14:45:56 (permalink)
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Never tried it, but supposedly filling the pilot bearing with grease and then hammering in a close fitting bar forces out the bearing. Google it.


That is how i did mine and remember being surprised how easy it was, (well filling the void behind the bearing with grease), 
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Re: Started.... S2 Clutch Replacement - Flywheel Recommendations? 2018/02/19 14:58:48 (permalink)
borrowed from rennlist, but I am pretty sure that is what mine looks like too, dont see any problems with your 'single sensor' cut
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Re: Started.... S2 Clutch Replacement 2018/03/05 18:12:22 (permalink)
Thanks for the support Ruddy & Waylander! Apologies I've been radio silent for a week or so... good news - most of it is back together. Housing is on, been bleeding the hydraulics and stumbled across a puzzling setup...
 
We had an issue whereby the pedal would sometimes not fully return and whilst pumping the clutch noticed at first it was very bad (obviously loads of air in the system) but then decided to look at the pedal assembly and it seemed when it comes back up it would 'clunk' back into a position. Best way I can describe it is the helper spring compresses (upon return) then pushes outwards & upwards into the roof of the footwell.
 
Comparing to my road car seems like I'm missing a part? Does anyone else know if they have a clutch pedal stop? (returning upwards?) Seems my road car pedal stops earlier because I have a little stop pad it hits.
 
Thinking my only way road this is to glue (with something seriously strong) a large pad to stop the pedal returning too far?
 
Red arrows - what's missing.
Orange arrows - the force direction when it clunks.
 
Also notice I don't have a return spring like the diagram but never does my road car - however read this is an older or new reversion.
 
 

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Re: Started.... S2 Clutch Replacement 2018/03/06 08:21:56 (permalink)
Tom,
 
Would have been helpful if both pictures were the same way round.
 
I've just rotated it, and can see it now.....
 
Yes I think we need to put something there to prevent the pedal going "over centre" on the spring.
 
Dad
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Re: Started.... S2 Clutch Replacement 2018/03/07 17:34:17 (permalink)

there is no stop.
 
it all needs adjusting,
 
clarkes garage is the place to go
You cannot get a tape measure in there, i used a couple of pre cut wooden kebab sticks to get the length's right
 
take the drivers seat out, makes it so much easier
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Re: Started.... S2 Clutch Replacement 2018/03/15 15:40:32 (permalink)
Martin,
 
I think you may be close to identifying the problem we've got with the clutch pedal.
 
When it's released it normally would be level with the brake pedal, but now, Tom's got it back together, the pedal only returns to a position about 3-4 cms below the brake. If you hook your foot underneath it, it returns with a snap, to the brake pedal level.
 
However next time you depress the clutch, it travels about 3cms before it starts to resist properly and start pushing against the hydraulics.
 
I think it's the 0.5 cm clearance (shown on the clarks diagram) on the actuator in the master cylinder thats too big , any ideas?
 
Gerry
 
 
 
 

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