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Porsche MOT Advisory Notices

PAG ZERO1

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Hi Guy’s,

I have raised this thread as I would value your comments/feedback.

Firstly let me give you some background on my car, I have C2S Gen 2 (PDK) which is just 8 years old, the car has been maintained by Porsche dealerships from day one and has had several 111 point checks and always serviced/maintained by Porsche + it’s still under warranty.

This week I decided to let my local Porsche dealership carry out the MOT has they have been inspecting the car in the past (PCGB Clinic) and routine servicing which is right up to date. When I arrived I had the usual pleasantries and was told that the technician carrying out the work was very experienced and had won several awards in the past ?

My car passed the MOT but to my horror and amazement I was shocked to see two write ups on the advisory notices. The one that really gets me is that this guy had issued an advisory for what I believe is way over the top and have never experience in over 50 years of owning cars, or known anyone that had received such an advisory. I have an Engineering background and in my younger years worked on many cars overhauling and rebuilding engines/gearboxes etc, I am retired now but that’s by the by, anyway the advisory write up stated that the Macpherson struts/spring/ spring cups have slight corrosion "but has not seriously weakened"

The other advisory that was written up was that the fuel filler cap seal was showing signs of cracking, I inspected the seal when I got home and the seal where it locates is fine it’s only the outer edges that have some minor cracking. I would have thought any good dealership would have just told me over the counter to replace when I get the chance and not written this up, so as you can imagine I am somewhat disappointed with this dealership and I am not sure I want to every use them again for any work and certainly not for an MOT. Sorry about the long winded thread but I felt I needed to get it off my chest with other Porsche owners as I would be very interested in your comments ?

Regards

Pete


 
Both of these sound pretty normal advisories for a car of this age, particularly that for the suspension given the huge number of spring breakages that cars experience these days.

They need to be recorded rather than imparted verbally but are in no way any form of criticism.
 
Slight corrosion to the top of the strut is a very common Porsche advisory.

It probably refers to the area beneath the rubber boot, which holds water and causes the problem. I doubt it is very advanced.

When I had my 997, I simply pulled back the boot, removed the corrosion with small wire brush, then put some silicon grease around the area and pulled the boot back. Took about 5 minutes and I received no further advisories after this.

Don't get too stressed, it spoils the fun of Porsche ownership! [;)]

Regards,

Clive
 
Clive,
thanks I will have a look at that, its just that they inspected the car twice last year (PCGB Clinic & Major service in October 2016), and even provided a video with audio saying everything was looking really good, since then I have only done approx. 1500 miles and the car only has 37k on the clock now.
thanks again

Pete
 
They seem to give advisories for just about anything these days, common one is slight deterioration in rubber boot covering track rod end but preventing the ingress of water. Our land cruiser has had the same advisory for the past five years, slight scoring on front brake disc. I shouldn't be too worried about this, annoying if you're selling the car but otherwise I expect its nothing to worry about.
 
Posts #3 and #7 imply dishonesty on the part of the garage. From what we have been told I feel that the tester has acted in a way in which I -and importantly the DVSA- would expect. 'Pass and advise' for any component which is not a failure but is exhibiting wear or deterioration has long been the mantra of MOT testing and the system works, although it does rely on a degree of sensible interpretation. Any decent MOT garage will normally discuss the severity of any advisory item and its likely lifespan over the period until the next test.

Testing modern vehicles is certainly not as easy as it was many years ago (for various reasons) and anyone not familiar with the detail of the test procedure might like to take a look at the Inspection Manual here.
 
Agree [s5]

I have spent around £10,000 to get mine up to snuff - makes me giggle with mot advice.

Mines a keeper





 
Posters 3 and 7 are obviously far more aware of what the shenanagins that a lot of the OPC's get up to than poster 9.

FYI never had either of those advisories on the 100 plus Porsche mots ive had done(outside the network), they are both completely unnecessary advisories both done to generate business and and they certainly don't have time whilst doing the mot to check the rubber on every petrol cap. LOL
 
Prudent and an advisory.
as for posters 3 7 & 9 who are they ?

I would much prefer to have documentation. Hardly worth ill feeling ?
 
I wonder why you are so worried about having advisory notice on your MOT history, perhaps it may be that it may impact on your potential resale value.

if anyone is concerned about this type of issue then you always have the option of paying for a pre mot inspection at the MOT'ing inspection at the garage that will be carrying out the mot. you then have the option of having the advisorie carried out and then having it MOT'd with a clear of advisories MOT.

 
Gordon Attar said:
Posters 3 and 7 are obviously far more aware of what the shenanagins that a lot of the OPC's get up to than poster 9.

FYI never had either of those advisories on the 100 plus Porsche mots ive had done(outside the network), they are both completely unnecessary advisories both done to generate business and and they certainly don't have time whilst doing the mot to check the rubber on every petrol cap. LOL


I (Poster 9) am well aware of the advisory information issued during and after service and repair work at garages -not just OPC's (who can have a 'absolute' way of looking at things)- sometimes being more profit- than safety-related, but advisory comments issued in respect of an MOT should only relate to testable items. That is what has happened in the case in point and other vehicles not being advised on these items bears no relevance to the vehicle in question. To categorically describe these advisories as being "completely unnecessary" and "done to generate business" is quite a serious accusation against the tester concerned, especially without having inspected the car. As to "not having the time" to inspect the fuel cap seal, there is no time limit on a Test. The length of each test relates to the age and condition of the vehicle presented (at present it averages just under an hour) and if you check Section 7.2 of the Inspection Manual linked in post#9 the fuel cap is covered there.

bear911lancs said:
as for posters 3 7 & 9 who are they ?


Even after all these years the MOT test -which began in 1960 as a basic test for vehicles that were ten years old!- is still not understood by many, hence my link to the inspection manual. Like everyone else here I am only offering an opinion, although it is based on years of professional experience in this field.
 
I would be annoyed too after spending the money to have Porsche maintain and perform all those 111 point checks and yet get this during your MoT. We all no it's nothing serious but I would have expected Porsche to be more meticulous in maintaining their cars. I guess you have to get the pre MoT inspection done but again I would expect any garage to inspect (MoT Check equivalent) the car when it's in for a service, especially the prices that they charge.
 
Part of the problem here may be that the MOT is somewhat subjective. Does the tester always apply exactly the same standard to different marques (and price) of cars? Then there is the difference in opinion between the PC and the tester - my service manager has disagreed with a couple of advisories I've had on mine in the past. However, my PC is not an MoT test centre and they send the cars down the road to Landrover for that. Where the PC does the maintenance and testing then I would agree with the above.
 
Hi Guy's,
thanks for all your inputs, Clive's inputs we very valuable and its absolutely spot on I could even remove the deposits with a rag, so will wire brush and treat as directed, also as tscaptian said I am not too worried about the advisories its just the fact that the Porsche dealership has looked after this car from day one, and inspected it twice last year one of which was a Mayor service in October 2016 and never said a word on the these two advisories that really got to me having owned three Porsche cars which have all been serviced/repaired by my Local Porsche dealer.
But thanks again to all the possible feedbacks.
regards

Pete
 
I went in for a transmission oil change at my OPC today as mine turned 12 this month and was treated to a look underneath and a chat with the mechanic who pointed out a few 'faults' which I might like to get seen to - following a bit of discussion none were in the least bit necessary after a major service 5 months ago. The -ve for me is they are too keen to point out every last bit that is not pristine at every opportunity (I just wanted the oil changed and they spend an hour 'looking for problems' WTF) - it can spoil the ownership experience. The +ve for me on this occasion was there was no written report but a chat with the mechanic for a good 15 mins regarding the state of the car - when he realised I kind of knew a bit about it the verbal report was so much better and more detailed than a written that might give you sleepless nights. I now know the suspension won't collapse, the entire exhaust system won't drop off nor will the non N rated Micheline Supersport tyres kill me if I exceed 50 mph.

I never get this with VW - when something drops off the Golf I get it fixed - I don't have somebody worrying me that something might go wrong sometime.

I really like my OPC, they give me PCGB discount and the prices they charge me I think/know are more than reasonable. For a gearbox oil change, a check over and a chat they charged £107 - it took 2 hours! Can't complain at the prices or the superb customer service but stop picking at it.

Interestingly enough the gear change is noticeably lighter and slicker - do they use a lighter grade oil now compared to 12 years ago?

Got that off my chest!
 
Wow, I thought this thread was closed, but I am sure the rest of the PCGB would love to know what area you are in to contact your local OPC to get a gearbox oil change and two hours labour including VAT for £107 ? Not sure what car you put in for an oil change as you talk about VW, but I guess it was a manual and not PDK, maybe a Smart car, not a Porsche, as if it was a Porsche with a PDK box it would be more involved as the oil and set up procedure is far more than two hours and a chat. Suggest you raise your own thread as you are now asking another question which is not relate to this thread instead of high lacking this thread with Non Value Comments.
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