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Interpreting O2 sensor readings using an OBD2 scanner

AndyW1973

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First, some background to the issue...

I recently got a check engine light and a stored P2096 code, which according to my OBD2 scanner and Torque app relates to 'post catalyst fuel trim system too lean bank1'. I cleared the code, but it reappeared about 150 miles later. During a recent visit to Jasmine Porschalink for a seperate issue, I had them check the code on their Durametric and it showed the fault as 'Post catalyst 02 sensor bank 1, ageing'. I am not experiencing and loss of performance or poor idle issues. Fuel consumption has not changed.

In an effort to diagnose the faulty component I have been monitoring the pre and post cat O2 sensors using the graph displays on the Torque OBD2 app, but I need some help understanding the readings. As I understand it, the pre cat voltages should swing between around 0.2v - 0.8v per second (mine appear to do that just fine) and the post cat sensors should output a pretty steadyish 0.7v. Here is where one of mine seem a bit weird. With the engine fully warmed up, Bank 2 post cat sensor outputs a steady 0.7v at idle, but bank 1 is giving unusual outputs. Sometimes it will hold at 0.7v for a minute or two, but then it will seemingly follow the pre cat sensor (not identically, but the voltage swings up and down in a similar fashion). It will then suddenly drop to a steady 0.1v for a minute or two, and so on. These different outputs appear to be random and don't occur in a set order or for a set time. In short, the output is very unpredictable!

I understand that if the post cat sensor follows the pre cat sensor, it is a very good indicator that the cat has failed, but surely if my cat had failed I would not be getting such fluctuating/random readings and it would never be outputting a 0.7v reading, as it sometimes does? If anyone can offer some help, it would be greatly appreciated. Fingers crossed for a faulty sensor as it is a heck of a lot cheaper than a replacement cat!
 
Definitely start with the sensors. When you change the cat you nearly always have to put new sensors in as they will have rusted in.
 
P2096/2098 Oxygen sensor ageing delay time - above limit value

Read out regulator delay after TWC, bank 1, using PST 2 or a scan tool
Less than 1.2 seconds - OK
More than 1.2 Seconds - Replace oxygen sensor

03 Boxster S DME maps have an anomaly that causes the check light to come on too early durng adaption. The easy way to check is the RKAT values - they start at 0.00; if they increase in a positive direction an adaption is being made to richen the mixture; negative adaption reduces fuelling, weakening the mixture. The erroneous map placed the RKAT values at 3.00% meaning a very small window until CEL (threshold is +/-4.50%).

Introduction of new fuel maps:
10 February 2004, as of the Vehicle Ident. No.: 98 Z4S 64 0783
12 February 2004, as of the Vehicle Ident. No.: 98 Z4U 64 1777


2003_Boxster_DME_Program.jpg

 
We have had 2096 code on our Boxster 986 04. Our garage has checked leaks and wiring and this is what they have done


Removed Bank 1 Cat to inspect 1/11/17
Replaced Bank 2 Cat 21/6/18
Replaced Bank 1 Sensor 1 before cat 1/11/17
Replaced Bank 1 Sensor 2 After cat 1/11/17
Replaced Bank 2 Sensor 2 After cat 21/6/18

We have since then been monitoring on a Laser diagnostic
and found that after erasing code 2096 OS bank 1 sensor 1 measurement starts at
0.00 and increases in 0.04 increments until 1.20 when pending code 2096 appears and then full cel.
So on this data the bank 1 sensor 1 was replaced again. This has not resolved the problem.
The o2 monitoring shows bank 1 sensor 1 still shows a gradual increase to 1.24.
Monitoring of o2 bank 1 sensor 2 shows low voltage compared to bank 2 sensor 2.

The monitoring of short term trim on bank 1 shows wide peaks with flat tops, the trim on bank 2 shows narrower sharp peaks.
Our monitor shows that the secondary air monitor is incomplete.
Any input would be welcomed and value
 
dick harvey said:
We have had 2096 code on our Boxster 986 04. Our garage has checked leaks and wiring and this is what they have done


Removed Bank 1 Cat to inspect 1/11/17
Replaced Bank 2 Cat 21/6/18
Replaced Bank 1 Sensor 1 before cat 1/11/17
Replaced Bank 1 Sensor 2 After cat 1/11/17
Replaced Bank 2 Sensor 2 After cat 21/6/18

We have since then been monitoring on a Laser diagnostic
and found that after erasing code 2096 OS bank 1 sensor 1 measurement starts at
0.00 and increases in 0.04 increments until 1.20 when pending code 2096 appears and then full cel.
So on this data the bank 1 sensor 1 was replaced again. This has not resolved the problem.
The o2 monitoring shows bank 1 sensor 1 still shows a gradual increase to 1.24.
Monitoring of o2 bank 1 sensor 2 shows low voltage compared to bank 2 sensor 2.

The monitoring of short term trim on bank 1 shows wide peaks with flat tops, the trim on bank 2 shows narrower sharp peaks.
Our monitor shows that the secondary air monitor is incomplete.
Any input would be welcomed and value


 
This is a TSB regarding the P2096 problem. Check your VIN:

Introduction of the new DME software on:
10th February 2004, as of the Vehicle Ident. No.: 98 Z4S 64 0783
12th February 2004, as of the Vehicle Ident. No.: 98 Z4U 64 1777

If you would like the full bulletin, drop me a PM with your email address.
 
Richard_Hamilton said:
This is a TSB regarding the P2096 problem. Check your VIN:

Introduction of the new DME software on:
10th February 2004, as of the Vehicle Ident. No.: 98 Z4S 64 0783
12th February 2004, as of the Vehicle Ident. No.: 98 Z4U 64 1777

If you would like the full bulletin, drop me a PM with your email address.


 
Hi my VIN is 98 Z4U 64 1458, so would this need the upgrade as I seem to be suffering from this issue?

Thanks

Neil
This is a TSB regarding the P2096 problem. Check your VIN:

Introduction of the new DME software on:
10th February 2004, as of the Vehicle Ident. No.: 98 Z4S 64 0783
12th February 2004, as of the Vehicle Ident. No.: 98 Z4U 64 1777

If you would like the full bulletin, drop me a PM with your email address.

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Hello
The fault code problem, 2096, has not been resolved.
Our Boxster has been seen at our local Porsche dealer. They were asked to reprogramme the DME. They started the procedure but could not update software as it was the latest available.

Next they checked for leaks in the system none were found. After that they changed sensors 1 and 2 from Bank 1 to Bank 2 and vice versa.

This has made no difference to the performance and bank 1 sensor 1 measurement starts at
0.00 and increases in 0.04 increments until 1.20 when pending code 2096 appears and then full cel.


We have since been monitoring the O2 sensor data on both banks at various rpm while stationary.
There is a noticeable difference in the outputs of O2B1S2 and O2B2S2. At idle the O2B1S2 voltage was steady at about 0.09v, O2B2S2 was steady at about 0.7v. At 1500 rpm O2B1S2 remained steady at again about 0.09v, while O2B2S2 fluctuated between 0.09v and 0.7v. At 2500 rpm again O2B1S2 remained steady at about 0.09v, and O2B2S2 fluctuated between 0.09v and 0.8v. So while stationary the voltage measured by O2B1S2 barely changes no matter what the rpm.

This marked difference between O2B1S2 and O2B2S2 seems odd to say the least. Our technician at the Porsche dealer believes the O2 sensors are working because changing their positions has made no difference.


We have graphs to show this and could e mail them if anyone who is interested and can shed light on our problem.

Any assistance would be most welcome.


Thanking you for your attention.







 
I cant help with the torque readings (or the tech builtin above but I'll keep going) but its easy to forgot that the O2 sensor is only reporting what it's seeing and the default reaction of replacing the O2 sensor is literally just shooting the messenger.

Having got caught by this before and recently having to explain that the leaking injector on my BMW was causing the problem and not the O2 sensor which was going nuts due to the irregular mixture it was receiving I know its an easy mix up to make.

Thanks & good luck
 
We have good news! Our P2096 fault code problem has now been resolved.

After having O2 sensors exchanged from one bank to the other to check they were working, having checks for air leaks, having sensors rewired and trying to reprogram DME, the cat on Bank 1 has been replaced. Our problem has now been solved.

Our diagnostic monitor now shows the sort of readings one would except, no more very low voltages on Bank 1 Sensor 2.

I have read many forum posts on line, but not many respond when the problem has been solved, so we thought it appropriate to submit this.
 

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