john synnuck
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Anyone heard when the car will be announced? I've a deposit down for one and was told 'early January' but thats fast disappearing!
991.2 GTS
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"From March 2017, a total of five variants will be available in Germany:
the 911 Carrera GTS with rear-wheel drive, the 911 Carrera 4 GTS with all-wheel drive – both of the above available as a Coupé and Cabriolet – and the 911 Targa 4 GTS with all-wheel drive. A newly developed turbocharger for 3.0-litre six-cylinder flat engine increases power to 331 kW/450 hp (combined fuel consumption 9.7–8.7 l/100 km; CO2 emissions 220–196g/km). The engine delivers 22 kW (30 hp) more than the 911 Carrera S and 15 kW (20 hp) more than the corresponding GTS prior model with a naturally aspirated engine. All variants are available with a manual seven-gear transmission or optional Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK).
[h3]More power for more performance[/h3]The maximum torque of 550 Nm provides even better acceleration and elasticity figures. The torque is available between 2150 and 5000 rpm. Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM) is included as standard on all GTS models. The GTS Coupés feature the PASM sports chassis, which lowers the body by ten millimetres. The fastest sprinter in the family is the 911 Carrera 4 GTS Coupé: With Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK) and the Sport Chrono Package as standard, it races from zero to 100 km/h in 3.6 seconds. All GTS models feature a top speed in excess of 300 km/h. The front-runner at 312 km/h is the Coupé with manual transmission and rear-wheel drive. Despite the increase in performance, the GTS remains efficient – the 911 Carrera GTS with PDK, for example, consumes only 8.3 l/100 km according to the NEDC. This corresponds to CO2 emissions of 188 g/km.
[h3]Typical GTS: Numerous black elements both inside and out[/h3]The GTS models stand out within the 911 model line not only in terms of technology, but also in their visual design: All of the vehicles are based on the wide all-wheel-drive chassis, which measures 1852 mm even on the rear-wheel-drive models. The new Sport Design front apron emphasises the sporty character. The front end is aerodynamically optimised. A low front spoiler and increased rear spoiler extension height further reduce the lift forces on the front and rear axle compared to the Carrera S models. On the rear, the GTS is unmistakeable: smoked tail lights, silk-gloss black air intake grille and central black twin tailpipes of the sports exhaust system, which is included as standard.
A new black trim strip between the tail lights characterises the rear-wheel-drive models. The light strip is reserved for the all-wheel-drive models. Sport Design exterior mirrors, 20-inch wheels with central locking device painted in silk-gloss black, plus GTS logos on the doors complete the side view. The characteristic Targa bar, which is supplied in black for the first time on the GTS, also lends the 911 Targa a particularly distinctive look.
[h3]New Porsche Track Precision app and high-quality equipment[/h3]GTS genes also shape the interior. The stopwatch of the Sport Chrono Package is integrated as a central component of the dashboard. The Porsche Track Precision app has been further enhanced specially to coincide with the market launch of the GTS models. Its features include automatic recording, detailed display and analysis of driving data on a smartphone. GTS passengers sit on Alcantara seats with a new stitching pattern. The Sports seats Plus with GTS logos on the headrests can be adjusted in 4-ways electrically and provide increased lateral support and comfort. Other features include brushed, black anodised aluminium trim strips on the instrument cluster as well as a high proportion of Alcantara, which can be found on the steering wheel rim, centre console and armrests, for example."
the 911 Carrera GTS with rear-wheel drive, the 911 Carrera 4 GTS with all-wheel drive – both of the above available as a Coupé and Cabriolet – and the 911 Targa 4 GTS with all-wheel drive. A newly developed turbocharger for 3.0-litre six-cylinder flat engine increases power to 331 kW/450 hp (combined fuel consumption 9.7–8.7 l/100 km; CO2 emissions 220–196g/km). The engine delivers 22 kW (30 hp) more than the 911 Carrera S and 15 kW (20 hp) more than the corresponding GTS prior model with a naturally aspirated engine. All variants are available with a manual seven-gear transmission or optional Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK).
[h3]More power for more performance[/h3]The maximum torque of 550 Nm provides even better acceleration and elasticity figures. The torque is available between 2150 and 5000 rpm. Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM) is included as standard on all GTS models. The GTS Coupés feature the PASM sports chassis, which lowers the body by ten millimetres. The fastest sprinter in the family is the 911 Carrera 4 GTS Coupé: With Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK) and the Sport Chrono Package as standard, it races from zero to 100 km/h in 3.6 seconds. All GTS models feature a top speed in excess of 300 km/h. The front-runner at 312 km/h is the Coupé with manual transmission and rear-wheel drive. Despite the increase in performance, the GTS remains efficient – the 911 Carrera GTS with PDK, for example, consumes only 8.3 l/100 km according to the NEDC. This corresponds to CO2 emissions of 188 g/km.
[h3]Typical GTS: Numerous black elements both inside and out[/h3]The GTS models stand out within the 911 model line not only in terms of technology, but also in their visual design: All of the vehicles are based on the wide all-wheel-drive chassis, which measures 1852 mm even on the rear-wheel-drive models. The new Sport Design front apron emphasises the sporty character. The front end is aerodynamically optimised. A low front spoiler and increased rear spoiler extension height further reduce the lift forces on the front and rear axle compared to the Carrera S models. On the rear, the GTS is unmistakeable: smoked tail lights, silk-gloss black air intake grille and central black twin tailpipes of the sports exhaust system, which is included as standard.
A new black trim strip between the tail lights characterises the rear-wheel-drive models. The light strip is reserved for the all-wheel-drive models. Sport Design exterior mirrors, 20-inch wheels with central locking device painted in silk-gloss black, plus GTS logos on the doors complete the side view. The characteristic Targa bar, which is supplied in black for the first time on the GTS, also lends the 911 Targa a particularly distinctive look.
[h3]New Porsche Track Precision app and high-quality equipment[/h3]GTS genes also shape the interior. The stopwatch of the Sport Chrono Package is integrated as a central component of the dashboard. The Porsche Track Precision app has been further enhanced specially to coincide with the market launch of the GTS models. Its features include automatic recording, detailed display and analysis of driving data on a smartphone. GTS passengers sit on Alcantara seats with a new stitching pattern. The Sports seats Plus with GTS logos on the headrests can be adjusted in 4-ways electrically and provide increased lateral support and comfort. Other features include brushed, black anodised aluminium trim strips on the instrument cluster as well as a high proportion of Alcantara, which can be found on the steering wheel rim, centre console and armrests, for example."
Well having had the 991.1 GTS its not the extra 20hp that matters but the additional 110Nm of torque that's all available from 2150 to 5000 RPM that will make the new GTS significantly quicker to accelerate than the older model and it will probably go further distance on a full tank of fuelCameo said:
Yes but no normally aspirated top end howl - i'll stick to the .1 GTS thanks. Plus wheres fun in a load of torque in the low to mid range, prefer the NA all day long having spent a days test drive in the 991.2 C4S
john synnuck
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Each to their own. I have driven both a 991.1 and a 991.2 and preferred the 991.2 but I thoroughly understand people have differing views and requirements from a car. That's what makes it all so interesting! I'm certainly hoping to get one and am busy playing on the configurator! It will be my 5th new Porsche but I'm always amazed at how quickly you can rack up £15k plus for options, many of which are standard on much less expensive cars!!
Porker911gts said:
As my aging 997.2 turbo approaches 7, the longest I have ever owned one car, it still gives me a lot of "fun". While we can take the GTS out and have a howl, it's also great fun to be propelled down the road at warp speed in the turbo without revving the nuts off it. That said I currently have a 718 Cayman as a loaner, while one of mine is in for work, and I'm not "lovin' it"! I was trying to recall what it reminds me of at idle - then it came to me - a VW T4[
] I would happily have a 991.2, not that I'll be changing any time soon.
Gorsh
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I'm very interested in upgrading my BGTS to a 991.2 GTS. I've never owned a 911 and last drove one in the 1970s so they have changed a bit!
Forgetting the GTS for a moment, there are quite a few owners of 991.2 cars on here, I won't get a chance to visit an OPC until late Feb for a test drive so I'm reading all the reviews and road tests I can find.
I would appreciate your views on how your 991.2 drives - is the turbo lag as bad as some say it is - and is the sound as bad as some purists say? Looking on PH forums it seems the 991.2 has very few fans, but I reckon they are not only strongly biased but blinkered to how good the 3.0 turbo engine is. I do like my Boxster GTS, but it has to be at 4000 rpm before it really gets going, so the turbo engines appeal to me as they will pull strongly from much lower revs and it's no longer to rev hard to get performance. So, has the new engine ruined the 911 in your opinions?
Thanks in advance
Gordon.
Forgetting the GTS for a moment, there are quite a few owners of 991.2 cars on here, I won't get a chance to visit an OPC until late Feb for a test drive so I'm reading all the reviews and road tests I can find.
I would appreciate your views on how your 991.2 drives - is the turbo lag as bad as some say it is - and is the sound as bad as some purists say? Looking on PH forums it seems the 991.2 has very few fans, but I reckon they are not only strongly biased but blinkered to how good the 3.0 turbo engine is. I do like my Boxster GTS, but it has to be at 4000 rpm before it really gets going, so the turbo engines appeal to me as they will pull strongly from much lower revs and it's no longer to rev hard to get performance. So, has the new engine ruined the 911 in your opinions?
Thanks in advance
Gordon.
I own a 991.1 GTS but have test driven two 991.2 C4S' s for a day at a time. i was really pleasantly surprised after reading some negative reviews on the sound and engine character. Whilst it's not as visceral at the top end with the sports exhaust it sounds very good. The performance blew me away, it is very accessible and I thought materially faster than the 3.8 GTS.
it is a really good 911, just for me I preferrred the NA engine.
couple of thoughts why not try a Cayman GT4 or Boxster Spyder the prices have reduced a lot and I suspect will prove a more robust long term depreciation bet, they are both great to drive or maybe even a 991.1 GTS seem to be a few around before committing to a 991.2
it is a really good 911, just for me I preferrred the NA engine.
couple of thoughts why not try a Cayman GT4 or Boxster Spyder the prices have reduced a lot and I suspect will prove a more robust long term depreciation bet, they are both great to drive or maybe even a 991.1 GTS seem to be a few around before committing to a 991.2
My 911 ownership started with a 991 Carrera Coupe 3.4 which I changed for a 991 GTS, the GTS was a great car but I always felt the 3.4 had a more linear response across the rev range from the engine when accelerating especially during an overtaking manoeuvre. The GTS was not as linear because its torque and power curves are quite different and very peaky, so I found it needed to be above 4K rpm to get the best response from the engine. I did test drive an early 991.2 soon after the launch and I wasn't that impressed but I don't think that car was running properly maybe because it was new, early engine software who knows, since then I have had more test drives and found the cars drive much better than that early example.
I have since changed to a 991.2 C4S and for me I find it's a much easier car to drive, I've not experienced any noticable throttle lag and using the sport response button results in slingshot acceleration. On paper it's as fast as my C2 GTS but on the road it just feels so much quicker with a linear engine response rather than having to rev the nuts off the engine to get moving. As for the soundtrack, mine has the PSE and I think it sounds great. Would I go back to the 991.1 GTS? No way, the engine, the chassis, the technology in the new car just feels so much better and with Rear Wheel Steering feels even more planted than my GTS. I reckon the gen 2 C4 GTS with PDCC and RWS could be the car to have.
I have since changed to a 991.2 C4S and for me I find it's a much easier car to drive, I've not experienced any noticable throttle lag and using the sport response button results in slingshot acceleration. On paper it's as fast as my C2 GTS but on the road it just feels so much quicker with a linear engine response rather than having to rev the nuts off the engine to get moving. As for the soundtrack, mine has the PSE and I think it sounds great. Would I go back to the 991.1 GTS? No way, the engine, the chassis, the technology in the new car just feels so much better and with Rear Wheel Steering feels even more planted than my GTS. I reckon the gen 2 C4 GTS with PDCC and RWS could be the car to have.
Gorsh
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Thanks for those replies, very helpful and reassuring that the cars are good, I will try a drive of a 991.1 GTS if I get an opportunity, but I really feel a 991.2 is the car for me - if the GTS is unobtainable due to low allocations I would settle for a S or 4S (that's another choice I'm not sure of).
My two main reasons for wanting a 911 is we can take grandchildren out with us in it, we lose the rear boot of the Boxster but gain a lot of interior space. The other is that I've always wanted a 911, we've enjoyed the BGTS very much as our first Porsche but I still want a 911 in my life. The new 991.2 cars really appeal to me and the recent announcement of the GTS has got me wanting one. Hope the allocations are sufficient to meet demand, I don't mind waiting a few months if needed. But first things first - a test drive of a 991.2 S is the next thing, I have today sent an email to my OPC to express an interest, will see what they say when they get back to me.
My two main reasons for wanting a 911 is we can take grandchildren out with us in it, we lose the rear boot of the Boxster but gain a lot of interior space. The other is that I've always wanted a 911, we've enjoyed the BGTS very much as our first Porsche but I still want a 911 in my life. The new 991.2 cars really appeal to me and the recent announcement of the GTS has got me wanting one. Hope the allocations are sufficient to meet demand, I don't mind waiting a few months if needed. But first things first - a test drive of a 991.2 S is the next thing, I have today sent an email to my OPC to express an interest, will see what they say when they get back to me.
Having had 3 previous 991.1, my present one being a 991.1 4GTS I have found the 4GTS the best of the bunch I have owned. I agree with Adrian you do have to use the revs to get the best results which are very rewarding. Most of time I have the PSE switched on. During a long journey, sometime I have to switch this off since the noise can become tiring.
I recently drove a 991.2 4S with PDCC and Rear steering at Porsche experience Silverstone, I had the track to myself for almost an hour and I did find this car just handled so well. I pushed it to my limits and the response was exceptional.
I have recently placed an order for the new 991.2 2GTS with PDCC and rear steering. This will be a harder drive with sports suspension than my existing GTS.
I recently drove a 991.2 4S with PDCC and Rear steering at Porsche experience Silverstone, I had the track to myself for almost an hour and I did find this car just handled so well. I pushed it to my limits and the response was exceptional.
I have recently placed an order for the new 991.2 2GTS with PDCC and rear steering. This will be a harder drive with sports suspension than my existing GTS.
Gorsh
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Does anyone have experience of a car with the rear steering but no PDCC? I've pretty much decided against PDCC (it's expensive and probably not worth having for 99% road use).
I'd be really interested on thoughts of the difference the rear steering makes at 'normal' road speeds. It will be for a 991.2 GTS (also undecided on RWD or 4WD).
I'd be really interested on thoughts of the difference the rear steering makes at 'normal' road speeds. It will be for a 991.2 GTS (also undecided on RWD or 4WD).
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