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POLL: Joint 981 Boxster Cayman Register?

flat6

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OK, this isn't actually a poll but a request for one and to capture whether anyone else thinks its worth doing. With enough interest, the poll might be granted, or it might not.

I don't own a 981 but as it is the present and the future of the Boxster & Cayman, as a Porsche fan I do have a lot of interest in the car. A few of us were just commenting on the fact that until the car has been around a bit longer, the number of PCGB members on the forum owning a 981 is relatively low. That community is then diluted in half by being spread across the Boxster and Cayman registers. Makes good sense that the 986/987 has separate registers for Boxster and Cayman as the cars came about at much different times and then there's no 986 Cayman etc. etc.

However the 981 Boxster/Cayman have been pretty much launched together and aside from discussions about open air driving, much of the discussion topics will be common. So is there a benefit in helping the relatively small 981 community get together by having a joint 981 Boxster/Cayman register? E.g. a discussion on 20" tyre availability hardly needs segregation into whether you have a roadster or coupe. The suggestion would be for a 981 Boxster/Cayman Register whilst the current separate Boxster and Cayman registers continue to exist for 986/987 Boxster and 987 Cayman.

Also, with the older cars there's a range of discussions from DIY maintenance to problem solving to upgrades to used car buying tips etc. Whereas, much newer cars bring about discussions around new car experiences, new design quirks, understanding new features etc. (as well as common discussion topics that occur with both older and newer models of course).

What say you? Is it worth having a poll to see if club members would see value in a joint 981 Boxster/Cayman register?
 
NO. For many (mostly political reasons) the Cayman and Boxster registers will not be joined together in any variant. Now don't get me started on why the Boxster has historically stayed as just Boxster when the similar '911' registers now have 996, 997 and 991. Couldn't comment on the 911 lot. I can say we, as the Boxster register have a greater sense of community that that 911 lot and splitting the register into sub-types will lose that. From a forum point of view Pistonheads recently split the Porsche forum, now there are many on there asking for it to be joined together again. There are a few 'I've got the latest Porsche one do I have hang out with the others' guys but they are in the minority. Now if you are having problems using 'search' to find technical stuff that will all be fixed (so they tell me) with V4 of the forum software. The Boxster and Cayman forums aren't so busy you will miss stuff. Anyhow, rather than we all debate this to death (it will end up in tears and I am sure we would rather be driving) you pick up the phone and talk to the Boxster and Cayman Register Secretaries or better still the Register Director for the party line on this.
 
OK, this isn't actually a poll but a request for one and to capture whether anyone else thinks its worth doing. With enough interest, the poll might be granted, or it might not.
Hi Cecil, I'm not speaking for all the admin team, or the Register Secretaries, but this is the wrong request in the wrong place. I'd suggest picking up the phone to the Register Secretaries for both models, and the Register Director. Not trying to say your idea isn't valid, or doesn't have merit, but merging Registers has been a hugely contentious subject for all my time in the Club. Any discussion about it needs to be between the people responsible for the registers involved IMO, and if they feel it's valid then move forward to asking all the register members. Don't forget that about 75% of Club members don't read the forum, and less than 10% ever post, so it wouldn't be representative anyway. I've also found that most owners of the various models are passionate about the differences: I once suggested that in the future the 924, 944 and 968 would be so few in numbers that merging in to one Register might have merit. I learned pretty fast that I was upsetting three Registers with one comment, and never bothered again! [&:]
 
Wow that was severe [&:] I thought it wasn't a bad idea myself and that this was a 'forum' ( discussion board on the Internet) [8|]
 
Hi Andy, Only trying to stop a huge argument developing: people really do hate the idea of merging Registers and it's something that should be taken to the volunteers who run the Register, not a free-for-all on the forums. I did say I thought it was a fair question and possibly even has merit, just pick the phone up and talk to the people involved first. [:)]
 
I assume you will move my comments over to this thread from the Cayman equivalent which you have locked - after all being a Cayman person it seemed the place to post.
 
ORIGINAL: pauljmcnulty Hi Andy, Only trying to stop a huge argument developing: people really do hate the idea of merging Registers and it's something that should be taken to the volunteers who run the Register, not a free-for-all on the forums. I did say I thought it was a fair question and possibly even has merit, just pick the phone up and talk to the people involved first. [:)]
It wasn't directed at your reply Paul. My post was made before yours appeared on my computer.
 
ORIGINAL: ralphmusic I assume you will move my comments over to this thread from the Cayman equivalent which you have locked - after all being a Cayman person it seemed the place to post.
Hi Ralph, Sorry, very valid point! Locking the other thread seems essential otherwise it's going to be chaos! [&o] Ralph's post:
My thoughts on this one based on some superficial analysis.... Looking at threads over the last 30 days, there are 4 more Boxster threads than Cayman threads. The Boxster forum has most traffic on Spyders, then a wide range of individual threads. The Cayman forum has Faqs, Technical and New Members (in addition to individual threads) so perhaps indicative of different interests. There are some common 981 Cayman/Boxster interests (20" tyres being one). Looking at my simple analysis, perhaps a new 981 forum with Technical, Faq and General, and keep the two 987 forums as is. In other words, mirroring the evolution of 996, 997, to 991 all model forums
 
Maybe it came across as harsh (apology) ..... but I offered the same advice rather than trying to get an opinion from us (not the whole membership) that he contacts the Register Secretaries and Director first. (Re: the new 911 registers I think it was Porsche that 'recommended' to the club it had new registers).
 
Paul, many thanks. If I might further my idea, it does not change existing forums but does recognise a new generation a la 996/7/1 and mirrors their "991 inc Turbo (coupe, cab, targa)" inclusive approach, and if the 99x structure is OK from an admin standpoint, it must be OK for 981. Simples
 
ORIGINAL: ralphmusic Paul, many thanks. If I might further my idea, it does not change existing forums but does recognise a new generation a la 996/7/1 and mirrors their "991 inc Turbo (coupe, cab, targa)" inclusive approach, and if the 99x structure is OK from an admin standpoint, it must be OK for 981. Simples
Sub-Forums may work for each register .... but I'd wait a week or so until the new forum is up. Yes I am not saying NO [;)]
 
One thing to add. As I remember, the previous Register Director, Ken Coad, put a policy in place that there would be no increase in the number of Registers. Thus, if one was created for a new model, say Macan or 991, other Registers would be merged or dissolved. Clarification from Ken, or the current RD Alan Armstrong would be welcome!
 
Well where do i begin. As Nick has already said ,this subject was broached a couple of years ago and i was told by the register director that " a Boxster is a Boxster whether it be 986,987,981 or Spyder. Having had a 986, 987 and currently a 981 i have never felt that my model was not well catered for within the Boxster register and i hope that i am continuing in assisting all variants both mechanically and socially along with my team. With regards to combining the Boxster and Cayman models I do not feel that this is the way to go as apart from them having some of the same running gear they are quite different cars and i can speak from experience with my husband Cliff owning a Cayman at the same time as my owning a Boxster. Having been the Boxster register secretary for over two years and now owning the latest model,it still says Boxster on the bootlid. Hopefully this will clear the matter up. Regards Tracy
 
Hi Paul Certainly don't want to stir up a hornets nest. It was an idea spawned from here. http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=808212 Wasn't the intention to expect a motion to be carried based on people's comments on this thread or to brow-beat the register secretaries with a mutiny, but just to see whether there was interest for or against it. If there was interest then yes pick up up the phone. If there was no interest or mainly objection then no point taking it any further. From what you're saying, historically there has been greater objection to it than support for it. OK It may be that the buyers of the new cars don't associate the same separating legacy that is attached to 986/987/boxster/cayman, with the new cars. However, this is clearly a sensitive topic and as such, I'm not about to fly the flag on their behalf!
 
From what you're saying, historically there has been greater objection to it than support for it. OK It may be that the buyers of the new cars don't associate the same separating legacy that is attached to 986/987/boxster/cayman, with the new cars. However, this is clearly a sensitive topic and as such, I'm not about to fly the flag on their behalf!
It's a valid question, so no problem with raising it. As I said, just one better taken to the people who volunteer to run the different Registers first. [:)] I know from experience that people really value the different Registers. Whilst it would make every sense to have one forum for the 924/944/968 cars, as Tipec do, it would take climbing over a lot of dead bodies to achieve it!
 
ORIGINAL: flat6 Hi Paul Certainly don't want to stir up a hornets nest. It was an idea spawned from here. http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=808212 Wasn't the intention to expect a motion to be carried based on people's comments on this thread or to brow-beat the register secretaries with a mutiny, but just to see whether there was interest for or against it. If there was interest then yes pick up up the phone. If there was no interest or mainly objection then no point taking it any further. From what you're saying, historically there has been greater objection to it than support for it. OK It may be that the buyers of the new cars don't associate the same separating legacy that is attached to 986/987/boxster/cayman, with the new cars. However, this is clearly a sensitive topic and as such, I'm not about to fly the flag on their behalf!
Hi Flat 6 Sorry, i can't agree with the "new owner separating legacy" point as 90% of new 981 owners who are on the Boxster register are previous 986/987 owners who have bought the newer model and are enthusiastic Boxster owners.
 
Understood Paul. Also, as you say, the topic may well resurface should space need to be made for the Macan, as it has no relative. A register could be forced to take the chop then[:-] Could get messy. Easier for that debate to initiate this type of topic when the time comes...
 
ORIGINAL: ralphmusic My thoughts on this one based on some superficial analysis.... Looking at threads over the last 30 days, there are 4 more Boxster threads than Cayman threads. The Boxster forum has most traffic on Spyders, then a wide range of individual threads. The Cayman forum has Faqs, Technical and New Members (in addition to individual threads) so perhaps indicative of different interests. There are some common 981 Cayman/Boxster interests (20" tyres being one). Looking at my simple analysis, perhaps a new 981 forum with Technical, Faq and General, and keep the two 987 forums as is. In other words, mirroring the evolution of 996, 997, to 991 all model forums 
Just acknowledging your comments on the other thread Ralph. Thanks
 
HI since Paul McNulty mentioned my name as an ex register director i never passed judgement on the Boxster or Cayman I support the view each should have its own register and incorporate different models. Whereas the Macan as a new model in its own right should I beleive have its own register. Incorporating 924 with 944 and 968 cannot see what that acheives as each have their own band of followers. Maybe in time when numbers may have dwindled to very low figures that could be worthy of reconsidering. Purely my views, not sure if we need too many extra separate registers in addition to the current number ... rgds Ken Coad 968 reg sec..
 
ORIGINAL: Tracy Wilkins
ORIGINAL: flat6 Hi Paul Certainly don't want to stir up a hornets nest. It was an idea spawned from here. http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=808212 Wasn't the intention to expect a motion to be carried based on people's comments on this thread or to brow-beat the register secretaries with a mutiny, but just to see whether there was interest for or against it. If there was interest then yes pick up up the phone. If there was no interest or mainly objection then no point taking it any further. From what you're saying, historically there has been greater objection to it than support for it. OK It may be that the buyers of the new cars don't associate the same separating legacy that is attached to 986/987/boxster/cayman, with the new cars. However, this is clearly a sensitive topic and as such, I'm not about to fly the flag on their behalf!
Hi Flat 6 Sorry, i can't agree with the "new owner separating legacy" point as 90% of new 981 owners who are on the Boxster register are previous 986/987 owners who have bought the newer model and are enthusiastic Boxster owners.
Hadn't noticed your reply last night Tracy. Thanks, that's the kind of feedback that helps us understand what people actually think. Ralph has a different view, so at the moment we have two 981-owner responses so we are at 50/50[:)] I do recall mnk303 trying to get an 981 FAQ type thing going when he got his 981S Boxster (he came from a GT3RS). Peter Bull came from a 997 to 981. There was a chap with a yellow 981 who I think came from a Ferrari but I could be mistaken. Was his name John. Can't recall as he hasn't been on for some time. Would be interesting to hear what a few other 981 owners think even if online does only represent 10% of members. As for non-981 owners there seem to be some for and some against. But I doubt we'll get much more input given the current backdrop. As I say, there's a bigger issue relating to this that I hadn't realised which could get political, passionate and emotional. Not saying that you have been any of those things I must stress. I like to talk about the cars all day long, but the other stuff I don't do[:)] and I think it'll be hard to separate the cars from the other stuff relating to this topic.
 

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