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RE: Naked Cayman 21st Nov CAN BE TOUCHED IN THE FLESH 2005/11/29 08:41:39 (permalink)
Tuesday 29th November
PORSCHE CAYMAN S
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Porsche Cayman S
 

In the late 1980s, Porsche had three distinct model ranges with almost no parts in common. In the late 1980s, Porsche nearly went bankrupt.
 
Today, Porsche has three distinct model ranges, two of which share a significant percentage of parts. Today, Porsche is the most profitable of all the German car companies.

 
The Boxster and Carrera share 30 per cent of their parts, including the front structure and some suspension components, but the new Cayman is essentially a Boxster coupe using the roadster’s floorpan and suspension in its entirety. A variant of the Boxster (Code 987), hence its internal code of 987 C7S, the Cayman is just 5Kg heavier than the equivalent Boxster S.
 
The Cayman S, the first of this hatchback Boxster derivative to be launched, has slightly uprated springs and dampers with the option of PASM active damping. Together with the significant increase in torsional and bending resistance that comes with its closed bodyshell, this gives the Cayman even more driver focused dynamics.

Components and positioning
In the scheme of things, the 295bhp 3.4-litre Cayman S sits between the 280bhp 3.2-litre Boxster S and the 325bhp Carrera in power and price. Its market positioning is particularly interesting because the 911 has become larger, more powerful, faster, heavier and more expensive over the years, resulting in Porsche purists asking for a cheaper and more minimalist car to replace the earlier variants.
 
While the Cayman shares around 40 per cent of its components with the Boxster, the bonnet, front wings, headlamps, doors and tail-lights being the most obvious, the swoopy roofline and rear wings are all new.
 
The same modern, high-quality interior we have become used to recently in the new Boxster is carried over, but aft of the seats, the Cayman augments its stowage capability with a further area above its engine bay for a briefcase. Include the rear boot for a combined 260 litres of storage space. Add the 150-litre front luggage bay to the equation and you have a generous 410 litres.

Motive power and performance
The 3.4 litre motor is a development of the Boxster S engine with larger barrels and pistons. In addition, it gets the latest Variocam variable valve timing system with electro-hydraulic tappets as used on the 997 Carrera. 295bhp at 6,250rpm and 251lb-ft of torque are enough to give this 1,340Kg coupe a 0-62mph of 5.4 seconds and a 171mph top speed.
 
Walter Rohrl recently managed an 8:11 minute lap of the Nürburgring Nordschliefe in a PASM suspension, PCCB brake-equipped, six-speed manual Cayman S. That's 7.0 sec faster than the Boxster S and a stunning 4.0 sec faster than the Carrera 3.6. Stand by for the best handling affordable Porsche ever. The Porsche specific N3 version of the Michelin Pilot Sport 2 is the tyre of choice on both the standard 18-inch and optional 19-inch alloys.

First test
The Malmsheim test track - an old airfield now used for automobile testing and driver instruction - is close to both Zuffenhausen and Weissach, and we occasionally use it for limit handling tests with Mercedes and Porsche. After a morning of dry weather testing, by the time we got to Malmsheim in the afternoon, the rain had really set in and the runway was well and truly sodden.
 
Some mid-engined cars can be very tricky, treacherous even in such conditions, but we quickly found that the Cayman is not one of them. Malmsheim has a high grip surface, but that does not change the handling balance of a car on the limit and beyond. Here, the relatively low polar moments of inertia of the Cayman and its progressive nature quickly became obvious.
 
With a 250 per cent improvement in torsional rigidity and 200 per cent improvement in bending resistance over the already superb handling Boxster, the Cayman is as rigid a platform as any high performance road car could wish for. Hatchback it may be, but we never detected a single squeak, rattle or any sign of flexing.

Rigidity
Structural rigidity is also the jumping off point for ride quality. Finding spring and damper rates that work almost all the time on a variety of road surfaces around the world is a tough call for any car manufacturer, let alone one that makes specialist sports cars. Although the Cayman S rides on 18 or optional 19-inch wheels and tyres, bump compliance is pretty well sorted.
 
Our test car did not have the PASM suspension option, which we know from experience with the Boxster provides a taut but supple primary ride in Comfort mode. Even so, the ride of the standard suspension was well judged, complementing the stiff structure with its ability to minimise the effect of short, sharp bumps at low speeds, yet provide iron-fisted control over the wheels when pushing on. 
 
That stiff structure also means that when you point the Cayman’s nose into a turn, its front wheels are even more eager to comply than the Boxster's. Adding finely honed suspension geometry to the mix delivers high precision and plenty of feedback from the power steering by the standards of modern sports cars. Another plus is that the steering does not load up much when you push hard into a bend.
 
The Cayman has a rock-solid inherent turn-in stability. Where the Carrera, as good as it is now, always reminds you of its pendulous weight at the rear, the Cayman races for the apex of a bend like a big go-kart.
 
Thanks to the grippy surface and the excellent wet weather performance of the Michelins, drifting the Cayman at Malmsheim was tough, even with PSM disengaged. Initiating a turn at modest speeds to avoid the front-end washing out, we delivered a big dollop of throttle in second gear thinking this would easily push the tail out. However, despite the wet surface the big rear tyres showed more mechanical grip than the torque of the motor could overcome.
 
Going in on a more open curve at speed in third gear gave us the momentum to finally break the tyres grip on the tarmac. At that point, balancing the car on steering and blipping the throttle to keep the slide going proved effective.
Best ever?

It also showed us that the Cayman is user friendly on the limit once you know what it will do. This really is the best handling production Porsche ever.
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RE: Naked Cayman January 17th FIRST FULL ROAD TEST 2006/01/17 09:51:28 (permalink)
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RE: Naked Cayman January 17th FIRST FULL ROAD TEST 2006/01/17 17:04:28 (permalink)
Daro, why did you call the attachments gay 1-6l?
Is that what you think of the car?
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RE: Naked Cayman January 17th FIRST FULL ROAD TEST 2006/01/17 18:46:31 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: Rodney Naghar

Daro, why did you call the attachments gay 1-6l?
Is that what you think of the car?


Cayman 4 Gayman who doesn't want the real deal with the folding roof 
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RE: Naked Cayman January 17th FIRST FULL ROAD TEST 2006/01/17 21:46:04 (permalink)
who doesn't want the real deal with the folding roof 

 
I have no idea what you're on about......are you honestly trying to tell us, that a car without a folding roof should actually be cheaper than one with?
That's just crazy talk
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RE: Naked Cayman January 17th FIRST FULL ROAD TEST 2006/01/18 11:26:31 (permalink)
You guys should drive the Cayman before you write it off.  It won't be for everyone, but I've just switched over from a Boxster S and the Cayman is definitely a better driver's car.  If you prefer having the sun on your head, then that's just fine, but personally I'd rather go round corners quicker...   ...and I'm happy to pay for it too.

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RE: Naked Cayman January 17th FIRST FULL ROAD TEST 2006/01/18 12:21:58 (permalink)
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You guys should drive the Cayman before you write it off.  It won't be for everyone, but I've just switched over from a Boxster S and the Cayman is definitely a better driver's car.  If you prefer having the sun on your head, then that's just fine, but personally I'd rather go round corners quicker...   ...and I'm happy to pay for it too.

 
Driving it doesn't make it look any better!
 
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RE: Naked Cayman January 17th FIRST FULL ROAD TEST 2006/01/18 18:24:05 (permalink)
OK John, beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder. Moreover, much that is said on this forum is subjective. However, owning a car is completely different than purely test driving one. As you know, in recent years I have owned some very exciting vehicles (no, not that MX5, though the 360 Modena was fun!) and can honestly say that Cayman S is the best car I have ever owned. Richard is quite right, if you want a convertable, buy a Boxster S. You won't do better. If you want an everyday car that is brilliant on track, buy, borrow or steal a Cayman 

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RE: Naked Cayman January 17th FIRST FULL ROAD TEST 2006/01/18 20:39:45 (permalink)
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Richard is quite right, if you want a convertable, buy a Boxster S. You won't do better. If you want an everyday car that is brilliant on track, buy, borrow or steal a Cayman 


If I wasn't a convertable nut then my number once choice from Porsche would be the Cayman even though I think the pricing structure is a total RIP off   Can't see a single feature to justify that £5K price hike over a 987 S.  Can any of you guys who own them
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RE: Naked Cayman January 17th FIRST FULL ROAD TEST 2006/01/19 08:25:11 (permalink)
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OK John, beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder. Moreover, much that is said on this forum is subjective. However, owning a car is completely different than purely test driving one. As you know, in recent years I have owned some very exciting vehicles (no, not that MX5, though the 360 Modena was fun!) and can honestly say that Cayman S is the best car I have ever owned. Richard is quite right, if you want a convertable, buy a Boxster S. You won't do better. If you want an everyday car that is brilliant on track, buy, borrow or steal a Cayman 

 
Derek
 
You say that about every car you buy and you change them like most people buy underpants!
 
If the Stig's comments are to believed the lack of an LSD means that it isn't 'brilliant' on the track and clearly Porsche have not given the car the engine that it should have.
 
Anyway regardless of how good it is to drive IMHO it isn't the "belle of the ball".
 


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RE: Naked Cayman January 17th FIRST FULL ROAD TEST 2006/01/19 10:04:59 (permalink)
Yup, each car is indeed better than the last... it's called improvement. As for me changing as often as most people buy underpants..... watch this space..you might well be surprised!
 
For track day use, you will have read the member's comment about better than Caterham in the corners and faster than Boxster of the straight. Combining the two is important, as it is the corner exit speed that will govern the maximum velocity on the straight. Because Cayman corners so brilliantly (better than Boxster by far), it will give the bigger engined and much more expensive 997S a run for it's money. Already it is faster on track than a standard 997.
 
However, the Cayman is the sum of it's parts and is not just a trackday car. Having owned two Boxsters, I found them unpleasant to drive long distances on motorways. Conversely, the Cayman is a joy; light & airy, quiet and civilised.In short, it is a brilliant all rounder. Where, for example, would you put my spaniel in a Boxster or 911... No, don't answer that!
 
 But for my 50 mph, wind in the hair Cotswold runs I'll drive something completely different (no, not the hairdressers car; that has been recycled)
 
Nevertheless John, you are entitled to your opinion; if we all wanted a Cayman, the wait would be forever.Thank goodness we don't and it is not!
 
Anyway, I waiting for the convertible Cayman..... (only joking)

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RE: Naked Cayman January 17th FIRST FULL ROAD TEST 2006/01/19 10:17:21 (permalink)
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each car is indeed better than the last... it's called improvement.

Having owned two Boxsters, I found them unpleasant to drive long distances on motorways.
 
Anyway, I waiting for the convertible Cayman..... (only joking)

 
Derek I take it you are comparing Boxster 987 S with your Cayman as comparing a 986 with your C7S wouldn't be fair at all as each model year is always better than the last ... its called improvement
 
MY07 ie Late October 06 you will see the convertable Cayman launched and if it's still £5000 less than your tin top I can see which one makes more sense Â£4£ even if the cheaper one is a few mph slower through the twisties   

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RE: Naked Cayman January 17th FIRST FULL ROAD TEST 2006/01/19 10:23:07 (permalink)
I agree that normally convertables are more expensive that coupes; they cost more to construct. When (if) the Boxster S 3.4 is built it will be interesting to see if, like for like, it is still cheaper than Cayman S. Whatever, a manufacturer will always sell a product for what the market can stand. Don't tell me that a Rolex is worth a thousand times more than a Timex! 

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RE: Naked Cayman January 17th FIRST FULL ROAD TEST 2006/01/19 10:29:35 (permalink)
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When (if) the Boxster S 3.4 is built it will be interesting to see if, like for like, it is still cheaper than Cayman S.
 Don't  tell me that a Rolex is worth a thousand times more than a Timex! 

 
Boxster is definitely going 3.4L and will still cost similar money to the 3.2 which leads me back to my first question as an owner can you see £5000 difference between the two models....I can't
 
Rolex isn't made by Timex so values and costings can't be compared unlike Cayman & Boxster    

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RE: Naked Cayman January 17th FIRST FULL ROAD TEST 2006/01/19 10:37:30 (permalink)
I go back to my point 'like for like'. We will see. If the specs are identical (apart from roof), I totally agree with you.

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