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Re: F307OFJ my old white turbo S for sale 2022/08/18 11:25:15 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby scam75 2022/08/18 13:01:44
Ok, you want constructive. 


There are good dealers and bad dealers, good cars and bad cars. The good dealers don’t always sell good cars and the bad dealers don’t always sell bad ones. 


This particular dealer has been around a fair while but in several different guises with not the best reputation. That said, I know someone who bought a car from them, it was exactly as described, the transaction was smooth and straightforward and there were no issues whatsoever. Conversely, I know someone who had post-sale issues with a car from that dealer and they were basically hung out to dry. 


The car itself looks great to me, super clean and tidy with a very comprehensive maintenance record. I’d just want to make sure that’s not all historical and that level of maintenance has continued in the last few years. Your own ownership is obviously part of that history so I guess the time period from then to now is the pertinent bit - not a dyno printout or invoice for tyres from 10 years ago. 


I’d inspect the car thoroughly on its own merits and would adopt the mindset of a private sale as should anything subsequently come to light I wouldn’t expect much, if any, assistance or restitution from the supplying dealer. I’d also factor in the cost as it is quite high, especially as the extra perceived dealer benefits may not be there should you need them.
 
However, it is a very limited pool of cars in this condition, then add in the sentimental factor and I can understand a rationale for just accepting the cost and getting on with enjoying it. The cost to bring a car up to that standard is certainly not an insignificant figure and as the saying goes “it’s only original once”. That said - check the sills and chassis well!

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Re: F307OFJ my old white turbo S for sale 2022/08/18 13:12:56 (permalink)
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Ok, you want constructive. 


There are good dealers and bad dealers, good cars and bad cars. The good dealers don’t always sell good cars and the bad dealers don’t always sell bad ones. 


This particular dealer has been around a fair while but in several different guises with not the best reputation. That said, I know someone who bought a car from them, it was exactly as described, the transaction was smooth and straightforward and there were no issues whatsoever. Conversely, I know someone who had post-sale issues with a car from that dealer and they were basically hung out to dry. 


The car itself looks great to me, super clean and tidy with a very comprehensive maintenance record. I’d just want to make sure that’s not all historical and that level of maintenance has continued in the last few years. Your own ownership is obviously part of that history so I guess the time period from then to now is the pertinent bit - not a dyno printout or invoice for tyres from 10 years ago. 


I’d inspect the car thoroughly on its own merits and would adopt the mindset of a private sale as should anything subsequently come to light I wouldn’t expect much, if any, assistance or restitution from the supplying dealer. I’d also factor in the cost as it is quite high, especially as the extra perceived dealer benefits may not be there should you need them.
 
However, it is a very limited pool of cars in this condition, then add in the sentimental factor and I can understand a rationale for just accepting the cost and getting on with enjoying it. The cost to bring a car up to that standard is certainly not an insignificant figure and as the saying goes “it’s only original once”. That said - check the sills and chassis well!




Couldn't have put it better myself. And I don't think chewing over the values of cars for sale, that we all know well, is particularly negative. In fact I'd say the opposite. As is pointing out non-standard items, that absolutely will affect the price to a collector/top money purchaser. This car is top money and possibly into collector/investor territory. In my opinion the mileage and non-standard items remove it from the latter (probably) and then it just becomes top money for an enthusiast, and again the consensus would be somewhere probably high £20k's assuming no hidden issues.
 
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Re: F307OFJ my old white turbo S for sale 2022/08/18 14:46:58 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Eldavo 2022/08/18 17:08:49
I've never really understood the fascination with the 88 turbo S, and I feel the same about the 968 Clubsport. And I certainly wouldn't pay a big chunk of money more for either, over a standard 250 bhp turbo or 968 Sport. I bought my 91 turbo because I thought it was the best built performance car I could buy for the money at the time. And incidentally a good turbo S was only a few hundred quid more back then. 
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Re: F307OFJ my old white turbo S for sale 2022/08/18 15:22:44 (permalink)
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I've never really understood the fascination with the 88 turbo S, and I feel the same about the 968 Clubsport. And I certainly wouldn't pay a big chunk of money more for either, over a standard 250 bhp turbo or 968 Sport. I bought my 91 turbo because I thought it was the best built performance car I could buy for the money at the time. And incidentally a good turbo S was only a few hundred quid more back then. 




Have to agree there. All turbo models 89> are very similar minus the lightweight windscreen (I think), M030 (could be specced) and non-sunroof (could be specced but seems rare), CS steering wheel (could be specced). Not sure there are any other differences. 89 did, and very early 90, could have, the same forged fuchs CS alloys before remaining 90's and 91's came with the heavier turbo D90 rims.
 
In the case of my very early 90 model, CS alloys, no sunroof, M030 specced, CS steering wheel specced, but a bridge spoiler rather than the rubber one, surely this is a unicorn? 

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Re: F307OFJ my old white turbo S for sale 2022/08/18 17:16:26 (permalink)
My car didn't have the cooling ducts through the plastic wheel arches, easy to fit them though, and JamesO kindly gave me some 968 brake cooling ducts, which are much better than the standard bits of alloy. I had the thinner rear anti roll bar, again easy to  fit the thicker bar, which I think someone on here gave me too. A deal breaker on any car, would have been comfort seats and cloth interior. I would like the sunroof delete, but it looks like a lot of work to fit.
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Re: F307OFJ my old white turbo S for sale 2022/08/18 19:26:10 (permalink)
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... I would like the sunroof delete ...




I agree regarding bolt on bits. Many have fitted the best bits they can get subsequently irrespective of what the car was originally. Such is the joy of the Porsche parts bin  (Big Blacks etc.)
 
Even the lightened windscreen - how many of them are still in place?
 
But sunroof delete, that is a cool thing to have.

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Re: F307OFJ my old white turbo S for sale 2022/08/18 20:22:37 (permalink)
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My car didn't have the cooling ducts through the plastic wheel arches, easy to fit them though, and JamesO kindly gave me some 968 brake cooling ducts, which are much better than the standard bits of alloy. I had the thinner rear anti roll bar, again easy to  fit the thicker bar, which I think someone on here gave me too. A deal breaker on any car, would have been comfort seats and cloth interior. I would like the sunroof delete, but it looks like a lot of work to fit.




Oddly mine didn't have the cooling ducts either and they did not appear to ever have been fitted.

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Re: F307OFJ my old white turbo S for sale 2022/08/18 21:13:31 (permalink)
I had to cut a hole in the plastic wheel arch liner to fit the duct. Don't know if Porsche were penny pinching, seems a bit cheap on a car that was around £45k then.
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Re: F307OFJ my old white turbo S for sale 2022/08/18 22:21:02 (permalink)
My car came to me without arch liners and I’m pretty sure I had to cut holes in the ones I acquired 10 years ago too. I kept the bumper ducts but replaced the strut scoops with the 968 parts and my car has 968 lower arms too so i fitted the air scoops for those too.
 
My lightened windscreen was replaced prior to my ownership but I do have the non-sunroof shell - ironically I quite like a sunroof but it’s one less thing to go wrong and does get me a bit more headroom with a helmet on I guess. There is a school of thought that the sunroof shell is actually stiffer due to the additional bracing around it but you know what the Porsche community is like - everyone has a theory that their car is the best 
 
I agree about the perceived price premium for a Turbo S - if you’re buying a SilberRosa car then perhaps but for the rest it’s just a 250bhp Twbo. Mind you, I’m not the person to speak to about values and originality. (Was it James-somebody who frequented these parts a decade ago and went crazy if anyone deviated from OEM???)

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Re: F307OFJ my old white turbo S for sale 2022/08/19 01:04:32 (permalink)
Mine has the cooling ducts from the factory and liners to match. Just an "s" missing off my log book then. 

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Re: F307OFJ my old white turbo S for sale 2022/08/19 08:31:10 (permalink)
And a running engine 
 


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Re: F307OFJ my old white turbo S for sale 2022/08/19 11:23:56 (permalink)
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And a running engine 
 



You'll have rebuilt 2.5 engine going spare soon...
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Re: F307OFJ my old white turbo S for sale 2022/08/19 13:15:40 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Eldavo 2022/08/19 14:45:33
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And a running engine 
 





Ahem, it has ran for 5 seconds. Running it in slowly............

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Re: F307OFJ my old white turbo S for sale 2022/08/22 18:03:35 (permalink)
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You could get a turbo s not in silver rose colour and not with the plaid comfort seat interior. I'm not sure if 7 is the correct number though, certainly not huge amounts to be fair. You could spec sports seats. Frenchy on here has a black turbo s that came with half leather black sports seats from the factory IIRC. 
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I know, but the cars painted silberosa with the plaid interior are the money makers. I'm not even sure if Porsche called them Silver Rose, or that was a press thing. Supposedly there was going to be a fixed number of cars, but like Renault with the Clio Williams, Porsche amusingly screwed the investment buyers, and made some more. 15 years ago I came very close to buying a red turbo S spec car, that was known to some members on here back then. It was a nice car with 993 turbo brakes, cup wheels and some Promax uprates. But I think it was on the insurance register.


I would rather have one that wasn't silberosa, but to be honest not particularly over any other 250 car and I prefer the bridge spoiler cars - especially once the suspension is uprated. I looked at a baltic blue one that I believe was a late 'silver rose', correct age, no sunroof, 4 speaker stereo etc. My coupe (1990), which I ended up buying over it a few weeks later felt a much nicer car - dont regret it!
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Re: F307OFJ my old white turbo S for sale 2022/08/22 18:07:23 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Eldavo 2022/08/23 13:44:40
Eddies old car does look great in those photos though!
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Re: F307OFJ my old white turbo S for sale 2022/08/22 19:02:40 (permalink)
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Eddies old car does look great in those photos though!

Yeah, he never kept it that clean 
 
too busy driving it 
 

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Re: F307OFJ my old white turbo S for sale 2022/08/22 19:04:18 (permalink)
I must have looked at 10 or more turbos, 15 years ago. Out of those I thought 2 or 3 were worth buying, a lot were neglected or hammered, and owners were mostly hanging on to the good cars. I wouldn't surprise me, if plenty of the rough cars from years ago, have since been rolled in glitter. 
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