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993 C2 - New rear rubber - time to change sides?

993C2EX

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An old post, a perennial topic but still it runs....

I thought about contacting Emyr and Maurice direct but then I thought its best that others can read the responses here on the forum.
I've just had a great few days away in my 993 C2 cab. Track day at Castle Combe and A road driving to and from through Devon and Somerset.
Thats my main road use. A roads in Devon and Somerset.
So, I now need new rubber on the rear wheels (hollow spoke Turbo Twists). Through my life with Porsches Ive only ever used Pirelli P Zeros N rated on both my 986 and 993. Im wary of trying anything else incase it changes the feel of the cars that I have become familiar with. Ive owner the 986 for 20 years and it fits me like a glove.
But at Castle Combe I did a survey of 993 rubber and more than 50% were shod in Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 rubber.
Suggestions of improved grip in the dry and lower road noise over the P Zeros but are they mainly for track day use when 99% of my milage is on Devon A roads ?
Ive also done my bit of googling and read about Michelin Pilot Sport 4 and 4S tyres.
With the Pirellis looking like old technology and the Michelins looking like the more popular choice, I now have a dilemma. Change from what I know and trust (I've only spun off twice in 20 years and both times in the wet).

So, some recommendations please from those that have changed from P Zeros to Michelins.
993 C2, low milage use, Devon A roads, not in the wet (unless caught out), like the idea of less road noise, don't want to compromise insurance classification, would like better wear, will only be changing the rears this year and the fronts at the end of next year.

Pirelli P Zero ?
Michelin cup 2 ?
Michelin PS4 ?
Michelin PS4S ?

 
I don't think I'll be much help. Yes it's a problem. Once I make a change I'm stuck with them for some years (not doing enough miles now to wear them out!). The the rears wear out more than twice as quickly as the fronts, so there is never a time to bite the bullet and change. There is no easy way to get valid experience of other tyres (although the week I had a loan set of wheels while mine were refurbished was "interesting" - a brand I'd never heard of were very skittish, although wheel size was different too)

I can only say this:
15 years ago my car came with Bridgestones (I forget the model) and I changed to P Zeros at the first opportunity. But conversations lead me to think that maybe PS2s would have been a better choice. At that time I was doing significant miles so I was able to justify changing having had the P Zeros for just over a year. I was very pleased with the change. It was mostly about "feel" (that odd word "planted"). They seemed a real improvement vs both the P Zeros and the Bridgestones.

So right now I'm still on PS2s and intend to stick to Michelins - but the advent of PS4 and PS4s will cause me some dilemma soon.

Will be interesting to hear other's experiences on this subject.
 
993C2EX said:
An old post, a perennial topic but still it runs....

I thought about contacting Emyr and Maurice direct but then I thought its best that others can read the responses here on the forum.
I've just had a great few days away in my 993 C2 cab. Track day at Castle Combe and A road driving to and from through Devon and Somerset.
Thats my main road use. A roads in Devon and Somerset.
So, I now need new rubber on the rear wheels (hollow spoke Turbo Twists). Through my life with Porsches Ive only ever used Pirelli P Zeros N rated on both my 986 and 993. Im wary of trying anything else incase it changes the feel of the cars that I have become familiar with. Ive owner the 986 for 20 years and it fits me like a glove.
But at Castle Combe I did a survey of 993 rubber and more than 50% were shod in Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 rubber.
Suggestions of improved grip in the dry and lower road noise over the P Zeros but are they mainly for track day use when 99% of my milage is on Devon A roads ?
Ive also done my bit of googling and read about Michelin Pilot Sport 4 and 4S tyres.
With the Pirellis looking like old technology and the Michelins looking like the more popular choice, I now have a dilemma. Change from what I know and trust (I've only spun off twice in 20 years and both times in the wet).

So, some recommendations please from those that have changed from P Zeros to Michelins.
993 C2, low milage use, Devon A roads, not in the wet (unless caught out), like the idea of less road noise, don't want to compromise insurance classification, would like better wear, will only be changing the rears this year and the fronts at the end of next year.

Pirelli P Zero ?
Michelin cup 2 ?
Michelin PS4 ?
Michelin PS4S ?


I think a bit of homework for you might be in order .. check the archives for Porsche N approved listings.

According to Michelin, Pilot Sport Cup 2s are only available in 19", 20" & 21"
https://www.michelin.co.uk/auto/tyres/michelin-pilot-sport-cup-2?xtor=SEC-3030-GOO-%5BPilot_Sport_Cup_Broad%5D--S-%5B%2Bmichelin%20%2Bpilot%20%2Bsport%20%2Bcup%20%2B2%5D&xts=454776&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI7vTQteiK8wIV02DmCh3HzQEgEAAYASAAEgJcN_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
Highly rated in the dry. Yes I know they have been around in 18", but if Michelin say not, I'd be checking the date stamps !

PS4
Correct narrow body 18" sizes available, not N rated, but A rated in wet
https://www.michelin.co.uk/auto/tyres/michelin-pilot-sport-4#sizes

PS4S
Front sizes only in 18" unless you push rears to 295/30s (might be feasible on a wide body), not N rated
https://www.michelin.co.u...-pilot-sport-4-s#sizes

PS2 have been around longer but are 'available' in all N rated sizes for 993 18s
https://www.michelin.co.uk/auto/tyres/michelin-pilot-sport-ps2

Cup 2 Connect add pressure and temperature monitoring , are 'available' in all recommended 993 18" fitments

But availability for anything is pretty patchy - and mixing with Pirelli Rossos would put you firmly into unknown territory AFAIK. I started on Assimetricos way back, which were a bit binary, if you get my drift.. always thought Rossos more a sporting saloon tyre, although they got N rated.

When the Conti Sport 2s became unavailable, I went onto some Toyo track day tyres in NB sizes .. bl00dy brilliant [8D] !! But I've never had Michelin of any flavour on it, not for any good reason ..

You don't mention whether your suspension is properly modified or knackered standard either .. [:)]

cheers, Maurice

 
Hi Maurice,

Suspension is replaced original so as standard.
There were only two Rossos left showing in stock so it seems they are going to be difficult to get going forward.
Went for P4 and on the two drives so far have been surprisingly different with a noticeable drop in road noise which was suggested but still I was surprised to experience.
Miss the little red text highlights though ;)
Fronts have to much treat to throw away so I am in new territory with those still being Rossos but Ill swap them out to P4 next year.
Thanks again for the details summary of options.

Geoff
 

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