Done the deed

[richardfleming]

Well, I've looked, read, thought, researched, considered, decided I should wait to 2023 for the EV macan....

...then read, thought, researched, considered some more, and decided to order a new macan GTS petrol last week - the deed is done

the new one will be very similar to my current GTS, but it'll have fewer miles on it ;-)

I really struggled with this one, but think if I go electric it'll be 5+ years away yet so needed to bridge that gap with something meanwhile. what do you guys think about that particular conundrum?

 

[AndrewCS]

What conundrum ? ... our existing cars will still be useable & protected by warranty for eons yet

All depends on whether you want the `latest thing` or not ... higher miles is not a negative !

 

[Motorhead]

Richard,

I would imagine that it took at least 10-years for motorised transport to replace horse-drawn transport in industrialised countries, and most probably even then in cities rather than rural communities. I know that we’re in a totally different technological era but even when the ICE car is phased-out in the UK from 2030, as Andrew says, they’re going to be around for a very long time unless the politicians decide to introduce draconian measures via taxation to get them off our roads. Very unlikely I would imagine given their usual inherent sense of self-preservation!

Battery technology is still advancing and the charging infrastructure currently is under developement, so kicking the decision down the road for 5-years or so should be to your advantage.

Jeff

 

[richardfleming]

Richard,

I would imagine that it took at least 10-years for motorised transport to replace horse-drawn transport in industrialised countries, and most probably even then in cities rather than rural communities. I know that we’re in a totally different technological era but even when the ICE car is phased-out in the UK from 2030, as Andrew says, they’re going to be around for a very long time unless the politicians decide to introduce draconian measures via taxation to get them off our roads. Very unlikely I would imagine given their usual inherent sense of self-preservation!

Battery technology is still advancing and the charging infrastructure currently is under developement, so kicking the decision down the road for 5-years or so should be to your advantage.

Jeff

yup, that's pretty much where I got to. It's not a need for 'latest thing' - I'm just expecting the government to really start squeezing ICE owners for tax over next several years. They can't get people into EVs because they're too expensive (and all the infrastructure issues as well that they can't fix either), so the only way they can fix the pricing issue in the short term is to make ICE so expensive that EVs start to 'appear' cheap instead. Fully expecting that over next few years. And they'll have the 'covid debt repayment' excuse to cover it at the same time.

But yes, can kicked down the road and I'm getting a car I really enjoy and know already. Was curious what other folks think - and it appears I'm not alone.

 

[Motorhead]

I’ve no idea where the Government are going to go with taxation, but it can’t have escaped their notice that they can’t lose indefinitely a very lucrative income stream from car and fuel taxes as EVs become more popular. Right now they’re trying to encourage EV ownership, but it’s a fine balance as to when the incentives end … and to be replaced by what: road pricing, higher electricity prices?

Although currently I’m in the market for a general runabout, like you I’m not yet looking at an EV, and even if I was I think that for the first time I’d consider having one on lease or a PCP because battery technology is developing very rapidly ATM and a comprehensive fast-charging network is just beginning to gather pace. I want to see a commonplace WLTP of around 400 miles, meaning a real-world mileage of about 350 miles in winter with the heater, lights, wipers and music on while cruising at 70mph. ??

Jeff

 

[BrianJ]

Exactly my view too.

 

[AB2012]

Many of us will be wrestling with the same question, for sure. My interim answer was to take one step into the future with the hybrid Panamera three years ago, and have concluded it is still too early for a full EV to suit my life-style - see my recent post Panamera vs Taycan. I read recently that major shifts in automotive technology take 20 years to fully work through, on which basis it could be 2050 by the time we see the last of ICEs and 2055 for hybrids. The EV infrastructure has a lot of catching up to do before then to make the user experience just as smooth and persuade more drivers it is a viable option, alongside which Porsche is working on synthetic liquid fuels which would keep their ‘historic’ fleet running. In the meantime I have just ordered a Cayman GTS, so will have a foot in both camps! To quote from ‘The Fast and the Furious’, live life a quarter mile at a time. Make the decision which suits you for now and the immediate future - sounds like you have done just that!

 

[Brian_Innes]

The above comments are exactly in line with my thoughts also.

EV's are not yet a practical alternative to internal combustion engined cars for long distance touring in remote areas. The charging infrastructure is proving unreliable in many cases with Out of Use being a common occurrence.

Where I live, with the long dark winters and subzero temperatures, the effective range of EV's are severely compromised.

Brian

 

[Porker911gts]

I currently have a sept 2020 Macan GTS and thinking of placing an order for the new gts given the improved interior, strong used prices and more power.

do you mind if I ask your expected delivery given the current issues

 

[richardfleming]

I currently have a sept 2020 Macan GTS and thinking of placing an order for the new gts given the improved interior, strong used prices and more power.

do you mind if I ask your expected delivery given the current issues

My delivery date is a bit vague - 8 to 12 months - maybe earlier. There is a parts hold up in germany with the air suspension for GTS Macans (new ones are all air suspension) due to the floods - and the whole covid backlog is still there. So I'm thinking best case 8 months, worst 18, probably 12. No commitments made from the dealer which is understandable in the circumstances - but I already have one I'm using. Dealer view is residuals will still be strong in 12 months which I think is a fair call.

 

[Patrick Aschan]

There are so many holes in the EV argument.

In London there is insufficient capacity in the grid to supply planned developments, let alone those already built. Also consider that with heating using gas is soon to be banned there will be an even greater need for electricity.

Also in urban areas most people do not have off street parking so charging becomes a problem, running a cable across the pavement isn't a practical option as it immediately creates a hazard.