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jberg123
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2020/04/27 23:29:10 (permalink)

2016 Turbo vs 2019 basic?

Might have to trade my 997.2 c4s for a more family friendly Macan as my first child is on her way... struggle to see how a 911 as an only car is compatible with my new reality...


I think the Macan comes out as a nice compromise, but I’m fairly unfamiliar with the model. Having done some research, the Turbo seems like quite the car! And the 2016 model year would fit my budget. 


Struggling somewhat to properly understand the year changes of the Macan. What could sway me towards a basic model but from 2019, which would be roughly the same budget? Are there meaningful differences worth compromising engine etc for?
 
What’s the PCM/infotainment system like in the 2016? Does it connect easily with Bluetooth to mobile phone and easy to use applications such as Google Maps and Spotify? This is a nightmare in my 997 (2010) but guess a lot happened before 2016 model. 
 
Many thanks 

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Re: 2016 Turbo vs 2019 basic? 2020/04/28 11:17:25 (permalink)
I think you need to hear from somebody with a '16 reg car.  I have a '17 GTS and it has Apple CarPlay that I don't think was standard on earlier cars.
 
The screen has changed three times since the model was launched; my car has the second version.  The much bigger widescreen came with the gen 2 cars
 
There are two online offerings and cars can be fitted with both; very confusing.  I have Connect Services that allows downloading of updated maps.  A data only Three SIM plugged into the dashboard and it costs pennies to use.Last night I managed to add speed cameras.  It provides real time traffic information plus ability do do Google searches of destinations.  There are I think 12 online services including local petrol prices and they work separately from CarPlay functionality without plugging your phone in.  
 
This is a write-up from another user that I found useful:
 
Porsche Car Connect (PCC)
https://pcc.vodafonetelematics.com/cwp/login.do
 
Porsche Connect Services. (PCS)
https://www.porsche.com/uk/connect/
 
 
PCC is administered by Vodafone Automotive and comprises Remote Services, Safety Services and Security Services. The Remote Services is included “free” for the first year. Safety and Security are bundled together at £235 per year and if required will have to be paid for ab initio. If you need tracker for insurance or other purposes, then this is where you pay for it. It is the old VTS system but now built into PCM but still requiring the fob. As far as I am aware the tracker is Cat 5.
 
PCS is quite separate and provides inter alia access to Porsche Apps. To enable it you need to set up a Porsche ID. Once you have this ID you will get a pairing code that you enter into PCM to connect your car with the system. This system for MY 2018 cars works off an embedded sim. I think the first 2 years data is included in the cost of the car.
 
It's all very confusing and I aspire to understand it, but don't yet.  Hope others can help!

Richard Chappelle
Boxster S, Macan GTS
Previously Audi RS4,
Nissan GTR, Lotus Elise 111R, Caterham SV, Golf VR6, Peugeot 205 GTi, RS2000 and a few sheds
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Re: 2016 Turbo vs 2019 basic? 2020/04/28 12:03:05 (permalink)
Hello
Like jberg123 I am thinking of purchasing a Macan and have been looking at specs. and model years. I have found an interesting early 2018 model with a high spec. My budget does not extend to the current new model range, unless ERNIE pays up this month!
However, just wondering before investing if anyone can advise of any major issues with this model year, or any points to be aware of (recalls). It is the 185 kW/252 hp version and does include;
  • Voice Control
  • Porsche Communication Management (PCM) including navigation module
  • Porsche Vehicle Tracking System Plus (PVTS Plus)
  • Digital radio
  • Connect PlusSo thanks to Richard for his report on the comms side of the vehicle.
     
    I am looking to purchase a Porsche pre-owned approved vehicle for some peace of mind, are there any other sources that I should consider at this time.
    Any help would be much appreciated.
    Thanks 
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    Re: 2016 Turbo vs 2019 basic? 2020/04/28 16:43:28 (permalink)
    Mel
     
    Google 'transfer box problem' and Macan.  This is the only issue I've heard of.
     
    PVTS is included in Porsche Car Connect.  My car has it, but I haven't restarted the subscription.  I have a different solution for a fraction of the cost.  PM if you want details
     
    I had the choice of a 2016 Turbo and my 2017 GTS when I was buying last summer.  Glad I went with the GTS as it was still under manufacturers warranty (the Turbo was just outside) and I've had wheel centres changed, two sets of exhaust pipes (they are £900 a set) and more to the point a minor oil leak fixed free-of-charge that lead to the car being off the road for 3 weeks.  I had a Cayenne coupe e-hybrid on loan.
     
    Therefore the remainder of the Porsche warranty was a god-send.  Of course the Turbo (sold before I could see it) might have been trouble free.
     
    I've since extended the warranty with Porsche for 2 years.  All being even, I'd prefer to buy from an OPC as they'll include the expensive warranty, but personally I'd consider any source.  My car was first advertised on eBay though sold through a prestige dealer.  
     
    Good luck with your search

    Richard Chappelle
    Boxster S, Macan GTS
    Previously Audi RS4,
    Nissan GTR, Lotus Elise 111R, Caterham SV, Golf VR6, Peugeot 205 GTi, RS2000 and a few sheds
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    Re: 2016 Turbo vs 2019 basic? 2020/04/28 21:01:19 (permalink)
    Meant to say - my car is subject to a recall.  To fix a leak on the fuel filter flange on the fuel pump.  Title is 'Reworking the service cover of the fuel pump'

    Richard Chappelle
    Boxster S, Macan GTS
    Previously Audi RS4,
    Nissan GTR, Lotus Elise 111R, Caterham SV, Golf VR6, Peugeot 205 GTi, RS2000 and a few sheds
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    Re: 2016 Turbo vs 2019 basic? 2020/04/29 10:07:05 (permalink)
    We have a December 2016 Diesel S.
     
    The infotainment system fitted is DAB, BT, Aux and USB interface only.  It also has sat nav but that is four years out of date and costs way too much to have updated in the OPC (and their updates are never absolutely up to date).  It has a BOSE sound system but I am not especially impressed with the quality of the sound or the volume.
     
    From foot down to going very quickly indeed the Macan is every bit as quick as my 997.
     
    When looking at spec a couple of things I have experienced having bought my car last May from Silverstone PC.
     
    Wheels - it's on 21" black Sport Classics.  Two issues here.  When I bought it I didn't know better and thought they were meant to be matt black.  Spotting another car at Christmas, and then 16 hours of hard work whilst the wheels were off in the winter brought them back up to spec.  The fact they are painted means you need a careful cleaning regime.  Secondly, the ride is firm but comfortable, but a little harsh over rough surfaces, to the extent that I never use the PASM.  I did the Macan handling course at Abingdon last year and we never used the PASM all day, it handles well without it.  I did put 18" winter wheels and tyres on and the ride was more comfortable and it rode the Northamptonshire killer pot holes with ease.
     
    It has lane departure warning, which I turned off after about 2 minutes, so not sure what benefit that brings.  And it has a heated alcantara steering wheel.  You can't clean alcantara like you can leather so I have a £10 cover from Halfords to protect it.  What it doesn't have, and I missed this one, is heated seats, although we haven't really missed having them.
     
    Very nice things to have are the 18-way memory seats and driver comfort/access package (think that's what it's called, it allows programming of the keys to individual settings).  The panoramic roof is excellent (but see below).  I would have liked the deflated spare wheel as an option rather than the foam injection kit.  Not sure if front parking sensors are standard but they are well worth it.  You can live without a reversing camera as it's not so vast as the Cayenne but would be a welcome addition.
     
    On the PCGB and other forums there are plenty of threads about issues with the transfer boxes and with leaking sun roofs, which I hadn't checked out before I bought.  These are still covered by the OPC warranty but I am faced with a huge extended warranty cost next year and being tied in to OPC servicing.  It's one thing to pay a lot of money for a premium car, quite another to then have to fork out even more money just in case something as "old hat" as a transfer box and sunroof go wrong. It's not as if these can be considered to be cutting edge technology.  The warranty came in handy within weeks of getting it when the turbo actuator failed and the car went in to limp home mode, other than that it's done 6500 excellent miles since last May.
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    Re: 2016 Turbo vs 2019 basic? 2020/04/29 20:57:53 (permalink)
    I previously had a Cayman 981 which was not only hopeless with two growing daughters but also useless for commuting. I tended to look after it too much and leave it in the garage. So, after lots of research, through both Porsche and other manufacturers I settled on the Macan, a model that I had been following since launch. The Cayenne is a lovely car but not significantly larger than the Macan and significantly more expensive with a lower resale value. After much research and discussion with my local OPC and independent specialists I settled on the GTS. I was tempted by the standard S petrol but for the uplift in options and additional power it was a no brainer. The Turbo is a no goer (just look at Helen Goff's posts). I therefore eventually purchased a March 2017 GTS model which had lots of options included as standard. As an option, the lane change assist is pointless. The previous owner hadn't included auto dim mirrors which aren't essential but useful at a low cost. My car has 20" RS Spyder wheels in black which are fine in any PASM mode and, in my opinion, better than other wheels as they also come standard with the GTS. It includes the panoramic roof which is apparently an essential option but the drainage channels need to be kept clean. The car has BOSE with a sub woofer in the boot which provides good sound, and the overall PCM is good but doesn't include Car Play at this age. Not essential though as the mobile bluetooth linkage has been great. In my opinion, park assist with reversing camera is essential. And the GTS package looks great, particularly in red with all surrounding material in black leather. The Sports Chrono package is not essential but gives hidden extras.
     
    Touch wood, I have had no problems thus far, since December 2019. I chose this particular car in the end party as it came from a OPC with a 2 year warranty and because its the last model before changes in road tax. The car is subject to a recent recall in order to fix a potential leak on the fuel filter flange on the fuel pump.  As other have mentioned, this is titled 'Reworking the service cover of the fuel pump'. Not a major issue, more a a safety recall.
     
    Hope this all helps.
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    Re: 2016 Turbo vs 2019 basic? 2020/04/30 12:22:27 (permalink)
    I used the 911 as main car until third child came along 
    was a snug fit with two plus luggage
    but you’ll miss it I promise 
     

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    Re: 2016 Turbo vs 2019 basic? 2020/05/04 11:02:35 (permalink)
    Thanks for all the advice. Limiting my search to Macan or Macan S. Very limited choice around at the moment but that may change soon, hopefully. Always looking on the bright side!
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    Re: 2016 Turbo vs 2019 basic? 2020/05/11 10:18:35 (permalink)
    We recently changed my wife's Boxster S for a 2019 Macan. Lovely spec with 21" Classics in black, 14 way seats, privacy, Pan roof, jet black, black leather, black exterior painted, roof rails, PDK, Sports Exhaust Finishers, PDLS+, Power Steering +, etc.)  and chuffed to bits with it. Whilst it's a 2.0 4 cylinder and the S would probably have been nicer / smoother with the 3.0 6 cylinder (such as in my Cayenne e-Hybrid), we're not missing it at all. My wife doesn't drive too many miles so the 2.0 does the job, the cabin is awesome, and build quality fantastic too. I love the new look of the gen 2 too with the red strip across the whole of the rear now. I think you'll be pleased with the Macan BUT if you've moving from the 997 4S you may like the Macan S more with the bigger engine...

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