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Group Road Driving Events - zoom call follow up

ralphmusic

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One issue raised on our zoom call last night was the protocol for driving events that involve groups of cars driving a fixed route. We don't seem to have a single document covering this which may, under certain circumstances require routes to be approved by MSA.

Given some 60% of respondents to the December Member Survey, be they from Regions and or Registers, wanted more drive out/cars and coffee events, it would seem a good idea to have clarity on the rules. I have raised the issue with the Club and am awaiting comments from the General Manager.


 
Hi Ralph,

this was clarified some time ago. MSA introduced a new category 'Social Runs':

Social Runs: A non-competitive run for likeminded participants where there is no other purpose than the camaraderie of motoring in company to a predetermined point and which is not within the jurisdiction of Motorsport UK.

Social Runs do not require a Permit or Route Authorisation and it is not a requirement to contact the Route Liaison Officer.

Some clarification, routes should not be mandated, no check points, awards etc etc

Nick

 
Ralph's post mentioned " driving a fixed route". Not a "social" run in that case, according to the MSA definition? When this was introduced it seemed suitably vague. Scenario - we all meet ( no limit on numbers, so is 50 ok?) at car park A. We are going to pub B. We are gathered for the purpose of 'driving in company' but we're not going to tell you how to get there so to remain driving in company will be down to good fortune!

Should add MSA rules only apply to affiliated Clubs.

 
Nick,

So if that is so, what was the basis for concern recently (which was also raised at a Club zoom call that we both were on) about a northern initiative from Cayman owners from multiple Regions to have a convoy drive (and which is the member perceived issue that this is responding to)

What does routes not mandated mean and where does this come from? does it mean no route map, no stop off en-route at this pub for lunch... Also how do we read this qualification "and which is not within the jurisdiction of Motorsport UK"

I understand the Richard will be sending a Club position through to me.

The referenced document is shown below.

Certificate-of-Exemption-Required-Permit-Chart-v3-copy.jpg


 
Should add MSA rules only apply to affiliated Clubs.

Am I right in thinking that a drive out in numbers needs to be given permission by the Club ? Or can anyone do a impromptu drive out in numbers.?

 
CLIFFWILKINS said:
Should add MSA rules only apply to affiliated Clubs.

Am I right in thinking that a drive out in numbers needs to be given permission by the Club ? Or can anyone do a impromptu drive out in numbers.?

Thanks Cliff, it is good to identify these uncertainties because the outcome I'd like to see is a Club protocol with Q&A on the website setting out how Club driving events should be organised and then we can get on with safely meeting the top request of surveyed members, namely driving events.

 
Nick is quite right about not requiring a permit for Social runs as this was clarified when I was on the board by Rob Kellock when he was the Regional Director. That was 5/6 years ago.

IMHO the top two categories on the list that posted by Ralph need some clarification. What constitutes a Touring Assembly and what is a Social run.

This must come from Motorsport UK. Authorisation from Club Office / The Board should then be sent to all officials for clarification.

 
ralphmusic said:
One issue raised on our zoom call last night was the protocol for driving events that involve groups of cars driving a fixed route. We don't seem to have a single document covering this which may, under certain circumstances require routes to be approved by MSA.

Given some 60% of respondents to the December Member Survey, be they from Regions and or Registers, wanted more drive out/cars and coffee events, it would seem a good idea to have clarity on the rules. I have raised the issue with the Club and am awaiting comments from the General Manager.
Thanks for raising this Ralph, as one of the ’plotters’ of the Northern run that you mention I can report that information appeared to be being drip fed to the owners interested, and even then only informally & contradictory as no one seemed prepared to put anything in writing. Certainly nothing was forthcoming from the clubhouse.

This led me to have to do quite a lot of firefighting to keep a lid on the understandable angst of some members at the perception the club wasn’t supporting this intuitive whereas other similar runs were getting publicised to register members via Mailchimp etc.

A simple clarification of the rules or even just a headline summary like posted above with details how to request approval or even a contact (I had multiple names at the clubhouse and have yet to have a single response from any of them) would go along way to helping members organise events and where they may fall foul of the obligations that PCGB has signed up toI as a member of the MSA.

 
I’ve just had an email from Paul Grainger who will pick this up in a couple of weeks after putting Porsche Post to bed. I am content to leave it to then. I’ll update when we have a plan to produce the document.

 
I've had a good call with Paul this morning who takes on board the benefit of having a single document that members and organisers can refer to when organising events. He'll be working with others to hopefully have a document available by the time we get released to use our cars for "non-essential" journeys (although not by this Sunday if Boris lets us out to play next week)

An interesting point, this issue is covered by law and so another reason to ensure guidance is clear over and above that of protecting the Club's reputation.

 
Yes I agree Ralph about the club's reputation and legal points as well as the law.

Personally I have seen to many runs done willy nillie by all and sundry and idiots driving like fools on public highways.

I also think if runs out are taken on they should be run by a Region or Register of the club

Or run past the RO or RS to see if it's viable and safe to do so.

Only my opinion of course. [;)]

 

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