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[jkeith]

So, I am very keen to keep up to date with developments of yet another independant Porsche dealer going into Administration with a wave of posts on other open web sites with stories of foul play and possible Police action.

I have had personal experience of very poor business practice and our forum is an ideal way of communicating freely with other members.

I was very interested to see the comments made on another thread today which published some good facts about this trader.

For some reason, it seems this thread has been removed?

On other sites, if a thread hads been removed, the moderator has explained why.

In this case, there is no such explanation!

This is our forum if I am not mistaken.

Are we being gagged by big brother?

Having been a victim of a false accusation myself in the past, I am passionate about protecting the right for free speech.

What is going on?

 

[Lancerlot]

Yes, this seems to be a regular occurrence in this increasingly autocratically administered organisation.

If a post is considered to break forum rules, at the very least the poster should be consulted and informed what rule has been broken.

I would suggest you complain to the general manager if you feel aggrieved. []

Regards,

[font="comic sans ms,sans-serif"]Clive[/font]

 

[jkeith]

Thanks Clive, I intend to do so. A grievance is not always done openly and I fear even more gagging.

I would rather the thread was re-instated, let's see what happens.

Any comments from the other contributers to the pulled thread might help.

Cheers.

 

[turbo jonny]

For those that didn't see it , my original post linked the threads on pistonheads and 911 UK

and my only comment was that this kind of trading stinks , which it does. If i am not allowed to state the obvious and have my post removed without explanation then please expel me from the club as well.

 

[Eldavo]

It’s one thing having a name and shame policy to protect PCGB from libel charges but when the business has gone into actual administration with criminal proceedings being drawn then surely it’s in the interests of the community to make light of things like this.

Gmund and now SCOM were both public supporters of magazines, shows, etc. If they were so good at writing their own publicity then it shouldn’t be a surprise that people want the truth to come out and redress the balance.

 

[Rubber_Duck]

This post was removed in line with rule

3.1.2 (not) Name companies, or individuals, in relation to accusations of malpractice, fraud or other criminal or civil offences.

The post was remove to protect the club and members and not as a gagging activity.

Forum rules are available on the forum for all, I am happy to advise on what may or may not be appropriate before posting as requested.

Thanks for your comments and support - Philip

 

[jkeith]

Had there been any breach of the forum rules, I would have expected some careful edit to be guided by the moderator.

In this case, the company is no longer trading. There is clear evidence from members having suffered significant financial losses. This is from companies who have actively targetted Porsche Club GB to attract customers.

So, is it ok to follow the club to shows supported by the companies but it is not ok to share information when our members have been taken for a ride?

Double standards? Come on.....

 

[tscaptain]

In an ideal world if a post is considered to break forum rules then, if appropriate, the poster would be contacted and reasons given. Of course this isn't always necessary such as with blatant advertising etc. However, the rules also make it clear that posts may be removed without this courtesy.

While I am certainly no legal expert I would think, with respect to name and shame, just because a company has gone into administration that would not prevent it from seeking legal action against libellous accusations. After all, at this moment in time they haven't been proven guilty of any crime.

The Club has been threatened several times in recent years with such action and what goes on other forums is, frankly, of little importance here.

It would be a useful exercise, for who feel that "gagging" has been applied, to speak to the Club's General Manager so that he can clarify the Club's stance on this. Admin and Mods just apply the rules as they see them and without bias. The rules are made by the Club.

 

[jkeith]

How on earth can anyone feel libelled when they have taken tens of thousands of pounds from a club member who then confirms the facts to the membership via a forum?

I can't believe the best interests of the membership are being served here.

Nail in the coffin of my membership.

Why risk the reputation and integrity of the club for the sake of not circulating relevant facts about companies who have not followed good business practice?

Unbelievable!

 

[John Sims]

Admins and Moderators are just volunteers and we don't have the time to act as judge and jury or independently establish if accusations are true or not. While I have no reason to believe a member would make false statements against a supplier, it could happen. Similarly, it wouldn't be the first time that malicious hearsay has been generated and circulated by a competitor.

If a member has a grievance with a supplier it is probably not in the best interest of the member to make accusations on the internet as it could damage any claim they might make against that Company.

If the supplier has a relationship of some kind with The Club then contacting Club Office might provide some assistance.

Just because a Company advertises in Porsche Post doesn't mean The Club endorses them. Advertising is obtained by the Company contracted to produce Porsche Post to off set the cost of producing the magazine. There are rules relating to these adverts such as the passing off of non Porsche products by using the Porsche logo, or the like, or suggesting endorsement by Porsche Club GB (unless they are one of our advertised business partners).

All that said, the Porsche world is a relatively small one, so there may at least be someone at HQ who knows someone and can have a word on behalf of a member.

I agree that it can be frustrating if you have been wronged. I can understand you would wish to alert fellow members to your issues to prevent them experiencing the same. Unfortunately, because of the reasons above, we can't do it in this forum.

 

[RichardHutchins]

My truthful posts get deleted everywhere. So all I can ask is for anyone effected by this administration to PM me urgently

 

[turbo jonny]

I have now been contacted by a moderator who explained that my original post was taken down because it contained links to discussions on 911UK and Pistonheads. This is not acceptable on our forum because they have not been “ policed or monitered “. However it is ok to keep the current thread going. I appreciate the moderators are following the clubs policy. Its a pity our club does not support its members interests in the way that 911 UK and Pistonheads do.

 

[Rhys57]

I agree that company's who are ripping people off should not be protected, the ones out there we all know who they are.. Buying or selling a porsche can be a very expensive experience more so for buyers who are getting into the marque.. If you buy a bad it can cost you £££s

 

[turbo jonny]

Oh and i have not mentioned this before , but last year i was told to take down the link to my website on the 964 Turbo 3.6 which was in my signature. The reason - because it had a link to a couple of cars for sale. I thought it was petty and autocratic but obeyed the order for a quiet life.

These thing mount up though !

 

[John Sims]

...Its a pity our club does not support its members interests in the way that 911 UK and Pistonheads do.

It supports it's members by not lumbering them with a legal bill having to defend someones rant.

 

[turbo jonny]

You believe that by posting a link to an alternative site is ranting or inviting litigation ?

 

[Peter_Bull]

You believe that by posting a link to an alternative site is ranting or inviting litigation ?

Yes – exactly that. The following rule was broken.

3.1.2 Name companies, or individuals, in relation to accusations of malpractice, fraud or other criminal or civil offences.

Oh and i have not mentioned this before , but last year i was told to take down the link to my website on the 964 Turbo 3.6 which was in my signature. The reason - because it had a link to a couple of cars for sale. I thought it was petty and autocratic but obeyed the order for a quiet life.

These thing mount up though !

Pretty straightforward really. You broke the following rule whether you are advertising just a ‘couple of cars for sale’ or hundreds of cars for sale the same rule applies. Why should you be treated any differently?

3.1.7 Post content, links to websites, or adverts for your own commercial gain or otherwise use the PCGB forums to bring attention to your product or service. Personal for sale postings are acceptable as long as they are an individual member/owner selling his/her personal car or accessories.

To start complaining about the rules that Admins and Moderators apply independently, diligently and in our spare time without is really unfair. If you have a problem with the rules then contact Cornbury House or any Director to vent off. In the meantime:

1.2 To assist in keeping the discussion in this forum courteous, and lawful, we have the following rules. If you don't agree with the rules, don’t use the forum.



The reasons we apply the rules is quite simple and straightforward, as the extract for the rules below explains:

1.4 We are advised that, if damages were sought in law for injurious posts, not only the original poster but the system provider, Club, Forum Moderators and Admin could be at risk. The Club will not accept such exposure, nor considers it acceptable for the Forum Admin and Moderators to be put at personal risk. As we do not have the resource to establish if potentially libellous posts are true, or otherwise, any post which may be considered injurious will be deleted without warning.

 

[Lancerlot]

Admins and Moderators

To start complaining about the rules that Admins and Moderators apply independently, diligently and in our spare time without is really unfair....

Good afternoon Peter,

This is not strictly true though, is it? As I understand it (from a parallel thread), staff members at HQ are also now moderating forum posts.

Fellow members, acting as moderators and interpreting the rules, mostly seem to be tolerant and operating correctly. But they are mainly fellow members with long term experience and sympathetic to differing views. Just occasionally though those rules may be misinterpreted. Staff members are less experienced and if they are tasked with doing this job too, they should be properly trained for it. They are employed by Club members and should therefore be showing all due respect to them.

In both cases, unilateral and arbitrary sanctioning of posts without any recourse to the OP or providing any reason why or which rule has been has been broken, is unacceptable in my view.

Regards,

[font="comic sans ms,sans-serif"]Clive[/font]

 

[Peter_Bull]

Yes Clive - one last week was 'overwritten' and we admins were unable to review it. Hopefully after my chat with the GM this will not happen again.

All posts removed by admins or moderator should be recycled and an email sent to the poster. It's a simple and straightforward process but unfortunately some moderator’s failed to do this. I intend to email all moderators to remind them again of the process which should help alleviate any distress caused.

 

[ralphmusic]

Fact:

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