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I purchased a 968 CS through an OPC in Sept 2017. I've come to sell it via a well-respected independent to be told it has had major impact damage to the rear in the past and that the speedometer was documented as not working by the OPC prior to them selling it to me (they did not inform me!) and so for 2 years (2015 to 17) the odometer did not change! I paid a premium for this car essentially to enhance my chances of getting on the GT scheme (which I didn't) and its cost me over £5k in additional work too (blistered brake lines which were also missed along with a leaking clutch hose). I would be very grateful for any advice as to whether I should get a refund on my purchase. The independent is going to write a report to enhance my argument...! Many thanks..
 
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I think you are now outside your statutory rights period under the sale of goods act

you will need to consult a lawyer about this, the legal implications are way beyond my understanding
 
Hi. Thanks for the reply. Since posting I’ve done research and it seems under the Consumer Rights Act 2016 you have 6 years worth of protection, especially as it came from a dealership. Over 6 months though I have to prove "the issue” was probably at time of purchase and they recommend an independent report.

I suppose the question I’m now posing is should an OPC have been able to pick up on the rear damage and the stuck odometer...?
 
I would say yes, it is on the 111 point check, which a car must have prior to sale and two year warranty.
I have tried to upload a copy of my latest 111 check, but have been unable to. Perhaps someone more tech savvy could help.

Good luck
 
Reading around it seems that the 111 point check is pretty much a pile of doo doo
so many seem to have had this check and still found faults with the purchase

good luck with taking on one of the richest car companies, I see folks have tried it with the Panamera Camshaft issues and got just about nowhere
 
It’s not right but I think it’ll be a hard fight.

The other problem you have is revealing this to the next owner. A good inspection should pick this up and it could make it hard to sell. A position you shouldn’t be in in the first place which makes going back to Porsche even more worthwhile.


The crash damage is what it is, plenty of cars sold with previous bumps but the speedo really should be highlighted imho.
 
Thanks for your post. Surprisingly perhaps it is the odometer issue which is going to cause most grief. I kept asking for the job sheets (they stated they had done some work on the car prior to sale to me) and the 111 inspection but they just kept ignoring me and so finally got them from another OPC where I get my other cars frequently serviced. This is what revealed the fact they knew the car well, having actually been looking after it for the previous 2 years (!) and when it was serviced in 2016 (I bought it Sept 2017), one job sheet showed they had done work on the odometer and speedo...so they definitely knew about the faulty odometer reading and may well also have known about the impact damage but of course failed to tell me!

I know the chap at the second OPC who is going to write an inspection report for me. I have also spoken with Reading through an intermediary in the trade and it seems they will be annoyed at the fact the sale of the car was used as a bargaining chip with a view to getting on the GT scheme....so there is hope yet!
 
Toppers said:
Thanks for your post. Surprisingly perhaps it is the odometer issue which is going to cause most grief. I kept asking for the job sheets (they stated they had done some work on the car prior to sale to me) and the 111 inspection but they just kept ignoring me and so finally got them from another OPC where I get my other cars frequently serviced. This is what revealed the fact they knew the car well, having actually been looking after it for the previous 2 years (!) and when it was serviced in 2016 (I bought it Sept 2017), one job sheet showed they had done work on the odometer and speedo...so they definitely knew about the faulty odometer reading and may well also have known about the impact damage but of course failed to tell me!

I know the chap at the second OPC who is going to write an inspection report for me. I have also spoken with Reading through an intermediary in the trade and it seems they will be annoyed at the fact the sale of the car was used as a bargaining chip with a view to getting on the GT scheme....so there is hope yet!
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When I return my Ford owned company cars, I have to sign a declaration that either, the odometer has not been changed or if it has, at what mileage it was changed, to avoid issues with the trade descriptions act. In my opinion, the OPC that sold your car to you would be very wise to sort out your issue quickly and to your complete satisfaction
 
Thanks for that reply Chrishak.....very helpful indeed! I never realised that anything which changes an odometer reading in any way and is not documented or informed at point of sale is a criminal offence under the Trades Description Act. Hopefully that will lend the weight I need....
 
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