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Re: Porsche Post - 964 missing again 2019/12/02 13:48:22 (permalink)
What happens at the annual officials conference?
 
Is that not the opportunity to voice concerns about the direction PP is going?

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Re: Porsche Post - 964 missing again 2019/12/03 10:32:06 (permalink)
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What happens at the annual officials conference?
 
Is that not the opportunity to voice concerns about the direction PP is going?




Why wait until the next conference or AGM?
 
Just write to the borad of directors and in particular the Chairman.
 
theboard@porscheclubgb.com
 


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Re: Porsche Post - 964 missing again 2019/12/03 10:39:38 (permalink)
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What happens at the annual officials conference?
 
Is that not the opportunity to voice concerns about the direction PP is going?




The officials conference used to be twice a year in the days when we had 10k members. The past year the Autumn meet was split into 2 groups, one meet up north and a 2nd meet down south a couple of weeks later.
This year no Autumn meet despite the fact that we have 20k members.
Conferences are very tightly choreographed with each director giving a power point presentation and very small amount of time for Q & A.
I've been very vocal about the direction the club has been going along with a few others but we're generally ignored. Some officials have asked for an agenda prior to the conference but again are ignored or an agenda is published only to find on the conference day a new agenda has been introduced. So the PPoint presentation is more a fait accompli, with little time to think through the issues and arrive at a position.
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Re: Porsche Post - 964 missing again 2019/12/03 13:24:29 (permalink)
After that mess they got themselves into a few years ago, the club seemed to be back on track for a while.  It all seems to be going pear shaped again now, though.

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Re: Porsche Post - 964 missing again 2019/12/03 13:27:09 (permalink)
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Why wait until the next conference or AGM?
 
Just write to the borad of directors and in particular the Chairman.
 
theboard@porscheclubgb.com
 



If they are not interested in what the register organisers have to say, they are hardly going to listen to me.

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Re: Porsche Post - 964 missing again 2019/12/04 17:09:29 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby andywill 2019/12/05 11:54:40
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I have no home in this club any more.
Apart from that the Modified Register and the 996 Register (if memory serves) had a great clubman´s meeting at RPM Technik last September. So there´re still old fashioned car club activities related to the club. And, yes, there was at least some support by the club.

 
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You will always be welcome at any future event.
All the best.
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Thanks for the kind words, Andy. Highly appreciated.
 
Des Sturdee and yourself, you guys have done really well and so did the boys of RPM. That sort of meeting is a reason for a Porsche enthusiast in the true sense of the meaning to be a member of the PCGB.
 
Did it get any coverage in PP?
 
See you at some similar event next year,
 
cheers,
 
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Re: Porsche Post - 964 missing again 2019/12/05 10:17:40 (permalink)
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Why wait until the next conference or AGM?
 
Just write to the borad of directors and in particular the Chairman.
 
theboard@porscheclubgb.com
 



If they are not interested in what the register organisers have to say, they are hardly going to listen to me.




I think you will find that they will listen to you - and also the RS's.  I agree that communication from the board in recent years has not been at its best but the more members that send in their own comments etc there may be a chance that you are at last heard.
 
A few minutes compiling an email may well be worthwhile.


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Re: Porsche Post - 964 missing again 2019/12/06 06:09:26 (permalink)
Having had nothing to do with this Forum since my departure from it in April 2018 I noticed its bookmark the other day and idly wondered if it had got any better. I didn’t bother to log in but this thread was one of the first things that I chanced upon and I found it interesting that others shared my perception of what our Club has become.
 
All of the traditional member appeal of a car club journal has certainly been drained from Porsche Post by putting it in the hands of a ‘content agency’ who may well be adept at producing Essex Bride or Norwich Resident (yes, really!) but who have reduced it to the equivalent of those throw-away journals found in the back of aircraft seats. Repetitive advertorial, over-reliance on press releases, irrelevant advertising, articles where the first one or two pages are often given over to a picture and which are then generally peripheral ... and an astonishing lack of member input. The really odd thing is that despite what has been said here and what crops up in members’ conversations, the Board obviously think that PP delivers in the way that it should.
 
The dire state of PP (known as The Beano in this house) is just a microcosm of the way in which the Club as a whole has for some time been on the right road but resolutely travelling in the wrong direction. In the publication produced in 2001 to commemorate the first 40 years of PCGB Bill Goodman wrote, “…we resisted all temptations to grow too big.” and Chris Branston said, “…but perhaps almost as important [as becoming a Limited company] is the fact that the club rejected offers to be subsidised by and become a part of the Porsche Cars GB organisation. The temptation for financial security was enormous but the Committee and later the Board felt that independence was more important.” Of course, growth and subsidy were subsequently chosen but with an astounding lack of foresight as to their consequences.
 
This Forum, given the length of time that it has been established, should by now have become one of the premier UK Porsche resources but it has consistently suffered from poor management and a lack of development, with only a minute proportion of members and -significantly- officials engaging with it. In failing to capture or retain the sorts of people with the ability to drive it forward it has unfortunately become a digital backwater while the online action takes place elsewhere. The ‘Striving For Excellence’ programme is also worrying as it appears to seek to mould potential Board members in the image of those already there and so stifle any fresh thinking. This pseudo-big business approach to the way in which the Club has latterly operated has unfortunately taken it from being a club run in a business-like manner to being a business pretending to be a club, with its now vast membership being offered to commercial organisations as something which they can exploit in exchange for advertising revenue or commissions.
 
I feel that the Club has reached its Quo vadis? point and that its future requires careful consideration if it is to continue to be able to persuade Porsche owners to pay a subscription when there is so much in the way of cheaper or even free Porsche content and activities available.  We do not seem to have organised a proper National Event (i.e. one with something for everyone) since Althrop despite our vast financial and manpower reserves and if we continue to ignore the fact that the Club has sold its soul in a number of ways it is hard to see it surviving as anything other than some sort of bland ‘lifestyle’ organisation. It really deserves to be better -much better- than that.
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Re: Porsche Post - 964 missing again 2019/12/06 13:28:07 (permalink)
Thanks for your thoughts MJB.

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Re: Porsche Post - 964 missing again 2019/12/06 19:08:15 (permalink)
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Thanks for your thoughts MJB.




+1.
 
As always, Martin, that´s spot on in my opinion. I do especially agree with that "Quo vadis?" question. But I doubt that we have a voice that will be heard.

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Re: Porsche Post - 964 missing again 2019/12/06 22:39:18 (permalink)
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I see that it's still possible to inadvertently submit the same post twice and also still impossible to delete it!


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Re: Porsche Post - 964 missing again 2019/12/07 17:48:14 (permalink)
Hi Martin, good to see your words of wisdom. You've been missed.

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Re: Porsche Post - 964 missing again 2019/12/09 13:41:57 (permalink)
I am a few months behind with my PPs, but I was reading the Cayene Coupe (there's an oxymoron) write up from October yesterday and it did read much like a advertorial much more than any other new car write up I've seen before.  I guess it was possibly a case of, here's a rather pointless car, but it's what the market wants so I best say some nice things about it. 
 
I guess we can get comfort knowing that the profits they make from these finances the interesting stuff.

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Re: Porsche Post - 964 missing again 2019/12/09 15:42:58 (permalink)
David B , what is your recent experience with PP?
 
 
Have you been trying to submit reports but they have been rejected?
Do you need suggestions and copy from us?
 
Tell us what you need to get this register back on the map? 
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