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2019/11/04 17:31:04 (permalink)

Will I be wasting my time and money?

I started phoning a few local specialist today to gauge prices for yearly services. There is a garage quite close to me, it's call Cath Burrows Porsche centre. I gave them a ring and asked about a few things. When I told him that I had recently purchased the car from a trader, he offered me his services in the form of a borescope. When I purchased the car , Jasmin Porsche had in their workshop, I asked about a borescope then and he said don't bother with a 3.6 none s model, that was in line with my thinking. So do I need to take it for a borescope? Have any members used the services of Cath Burrows before? I have got an appointment on Thursday with them so if anyone has any advice for me It would be most welcome. I see his point of view though, if it's got a problem I could see about a refund for the car.

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    Gordon Attar
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    Re: Will I be wasting my time and money? 2019/11/04 17:39:30 (permalink)
    i wasnt aware that you could exclude the 3.6 non S model from borescoping, yes lower risk but not if its a Tip,, city based car and what about the IMS issue.  If the cost is to high it may well be worth it. why wasnt the car serviced before sale very odd!
     
    Could you tell us where its spent its life i.e. city car or country, its model year whether its manual or tip, mileage and whether its been serviced to schedule and the cost of the borescoping.

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    Re: Will I be wasting my time and money? 2019/11/04 17:55:33 (permalink)
    Yes it's a 2008 tip s . It's got 70k on the clock and it's being doing around 6 to 7 k per year. I didn't ask for the service because it was only serviced 12 months ago and I didn't feel it needed it because it's only covered 3k since being serviced. I will be commuting about 12 miles per day. 

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    Re: Will I be wasting my time and money? 2019/11/04 17:56:41 (permalink)
    Serviced by OPC every two years.

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    Re: Will I be wasting my time and money? 2019/11/04 17:58:22 (permalink)
    £40 plus vat for the borescope 

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    Re: Will I be wasting my time and money? 2019/11/04 19:15:21 (permalink)
    I know who this lady is now, I will take the appointment and scope the place out. Thanks for your help. I hope she doesn't find anything because I will have a fight on my hands with the dealer and I will be back to square one.

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    Re: Will I be wasting my time and money? 2019/11/05 09:39:03 (permalink)
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     ...I will be commuting about 12 miles per day. 



    That short journey will not help at all, though - you’ll be better off using a very cheap (non-Porsche) runabout!

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    Re: Will I be wasting my time and money? 2019/11/05 10:00:34 (permalink)
    For that price do the borescoping so that you can invoke the warranty if necessary. Jasmin are well known and would have to sort any problems out. What I find odd and concerning is that they wouldn't have bought the car without doing a borescoping.
     
      In the main if the car was one of the "faulty" ones the problems mainy show  in the 35 to £60k mile range so you are hopefully safe.

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    Re: Will I be wasting my time and money? 2019/11/05 17:14:38 (permalink)
    You are just encouraging me to take the long way home (which I have been doing this week). The oil is hitting 90 degrees and I don't open her up until it's warmed up, usually keep it below 2.5k revs until the oil is warmed. It's just hitting 90 when I can turn onto a well know dual carriage way near me and open her up over the couple of miles followed by a few local/country roads. I am scared stiff of getting it into the red using the steering wheel switches though.

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    Re: Will I be wasting my time and money? 2019/11/05 17:18:15 (permalink)
    I didn't buy it from Jasmine,but the dealer uses them as his go to , he sells lots of high end sports cars, Porsches and other exotic marks. It was in their workshop for a few jobs and I ask then should I have one done, but they said not really.

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    Re: Will I be wasting my time and money? 2019/11/06 07:45:09 (permalink)
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    stephenowen
     ...I will be commuting about 12 miles per day. 



    That short journey will not help at all, though - you’ll be better off using a very cheap (non-Porsche) runabout!




    In London that could be 3 hours of driving!

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    Re: Will I be wasting my time and money? 2019/11/07 19:57:15 (permalink)
    Well I can absaloutly recommend Kath , she knows her stuff . Good news is they both said my car is in very good shape. Never thrashed, not clocked, well looked after. Kath inspected my car and only charged me for the borescope which was all clear. She did find a few small faults with my exhaust heat shield and and a few brackets. Rear back shocker starting to leak and drop link needs replacing. Front passenger ball joint and the left chain tensioner seal requires some tlc. Drivers seat rear bolsters not inflating and the rear engine compartment light doesn't work. The big issue is a small coolant leak near the tank. Kath said I should really be dropping the engine and and replacing were the pipe connects into the coolant pipes. Kath is drawing a list up for the dealer while it's under warranty.  I can totally recommend Kath to anyone, she hasn't got a fancy workshop, but her knowledge and generosity is outstanding.

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    Re: Will I be wasting my time and money? 2019/11/09 20:08:52 (permalink)
    Where did you get it from dude? 
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    Re: Will I be wasting my time and money? 2019/11/09 20:10:36 (permalink)
    Mine went to cath for a problem with the soft top not latching. She was the only one out of 3 places who actually fixed it. 
     
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    Re: Will I be wasting my time and money? 2019/11/09 20:40:19 (permalink)
    I bought it from a dealer called Steve in ramsbottom. I am going to ring him on Monday to see what jobs we can get done on the warranty. The heat shield is off the right bank coil packs , I have ordered one and I will fit it when it arrives .

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    Stephen Owen
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    Re: Will I be wasting my time and money? 2019/11/09 20:42:19 (permalink)
    Is that a hard top on your 997?

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    Re: Will I be wasting my time and money? 2019/11/09 20:54:08 (permalink)
    Mine had both heat shields missing not a biggy I had to buy them and fitted them myself. Easy job. Yep I have a hard top for it. It's off at the minute hanging up in the garage. May put it on for the winter as it looks cool with it on. Good luck with the warranty. Mine had all sorts of problems and bought it from a so called high end trader. It's absolutely spot on now but been all year sorting stuff. Was a childhood dream but been a nightmare till now but I absolutely love it now and can't keep out of it. Good luck dude with yours I'm sure it's nothing major. 
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    Re: Will I be wasting my time and money? 2019/11/10 08:25:01 (permalink)
    Yes they are all not major issues, mainly run of the mill stuff. I will probably need the engine removing to replace my rear hoses but i was aware of these types of issues before i purchased the car. Like you i have alway fancied owning a 911, it was on the tick list so to speak. I have nearly purchased two previously during my life. In the 90s a Martin turbo in 1992, i was twenty at the time. I owned a BMW 318s, not so main stream back then. The only dealer was located in Warrington for spares and i got friendly with the parts manager, who had a big Porsche guy friend. He offered one of his cars to me a Martin Turbo (left hand drive) for the princely sum of £23K back in 92. I remember looking at the Z roadster in the showroom, top spec sitting at £19k and wrongly thought i could buy new for less and declined his friends offer. I think at the time it was an extra £10K over the asking price of a LHD 911 which you could pick up for the £14K mark, which was more than the cost of my 1988 318s BMW new, to put it into perspective. The second chance of ownership was a 993 Carrera 4, M reg in a dark blue colour on at £20K with a lot on miles on the clock. I think the year was 1998, didn't really like the look of that car from the word go, no test drive, the blue colour did nothing to highlight the classic shape of the car. I don't regret not purchasing these cars, funnily when i walked through the classic car show yesterday, every car i have every owned (not including the latest stuff) is regarded to be a classic. Even my second car , my beloved MG Maestro! I was telling the owner yesterday how many bad memories i had from owning that car, but owning that and an XR2, help me home my mechanical skills. I have been around the Porsche scene with my 924 for at least three years now, i got to know the cars, spoke to the owners on the stands at shows, frequented the forums (not really much going on there in the way of help for the amateur mechanic), got friendly with part suppliers and eventually specialist. Thats why i was confident when i purchased my cab (cabs are usually abused in my opinion, one that was shared with Cath) that i had found a very good example. I would have been very foolish to think a 11 year old car would not poses a few issues. Like i said to Cath, lets bottom these issues and then its just a matter of keeping on top of things that crop up. 
    When I get the bills though i always remind myself that the last new luxury large SUV that i owned, i was loosing  £450 a month in depreciation, thats £5400 per year for being parked on the car park at work or on my drive. I swear if anyone did the maths before purchasing a new car the industry would collapse.  At least with what we have now we can have fun, there is a great Porsche scene, they are a fantastic drive and a beautiful looking car. Good luck with your car also and i hope it brings many years of enjoyable experiences and pleasurable memories. 
    post edited by stephenowen - 2019/11/10 08:32:32

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