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Re: Augment Automotive. 2019/06/09 09:58:36 (permalink)
924Srr27lI know everything with you is for "looks" but this doesn't assist a technical discussion on electronics.
 
Have you "Looked" at and compared the graphs ? this would be more applicable
 
Moving on it must of not been good enough as the engine's (On your movie clip) has now gone forced induction.
 
I wonder who rebuilt the engine, and did the charger install and also I'd of thought there would of been a power figure
quoted or a dyno sheet on the AA website had they of done it? or had someone else done it for them 
 
They had a go at a charged application 5 years ago, but didn't finish it or have produced and marketed a kit since. 
 
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The Championship trophy appears to be proof the AA electronics, AA engine build, GAZ suspension and wrong offset wheels works. This car was second overall on points across all classes. He is usually quicker than the more powerful P1 class cars on many occasions. I hope all your efforts reward you with similar results at the end of this season with your build 
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Re: Augment Automotive. 2019/06/10 10:20:06 (permalink)
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I’m no expert, but looks like it’s working well?
 
https://youtu.be/17Jls153l8A




nice video!


Quite so. I'd never really taken much notice of this track in the past but it is pretty spectacular that such as relativity short bit of tarmac can offer so much opportunity to totally annihilate your car. It is close on the absolute idiocy of special stage rallying...but without the scenery. Certainly a sport for those with ginormous sphericals. :-)    

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Re: Augment Automotive. 2019/06/10 13:46:43 (permalink)
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924Srr27lI know everything with you is for "looks" but this doesn't assist a technical discussion on electronics.
 
Have you "Looked" at and compared the graphs ? this would be more applicable
 
Moving on it must of not been good enough as the engine's (On your movie clip) has now gone forced induction.
 
I wonder who rebuilt the engine, and did the charger install and also I'd of thought there would of been a power figure
quoted or a dyno sheet on the AA website had they of done it? or had someone else done it for them 
 
They had a go at a charged application 5 years ago, but didn't finish it or have produced and marketed a kit since. 
 
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The Championship trophy appears to be proof the AA electronics, AA engine build, GAZ suspension and wrong offset wheels works. This car was second overall on points across all classes. He is usually quicker than the more powerful P1 class cars on many occasions. I hope all your efforts reward you with similar results at the end of this season with your build 



 
Nooo !  this is a poor mentality... 
 
This thread is about / or asked is the AA electronics any good ? 
 
To Say that said car and it's components must be good because he won a race series of short sprints ! This isn't any proof at all, this guy has been pedalling the sprint & Hillclimb scene for 10+ years! there's typically much less in a class (compared to circuit racing) and the reason the transaxle does well against many other classes (In hillclimbs and sprints) is because the weight balance is so even, that the cold tyres warm quicker than most other car's which are much more weight biased on one axle.
 
I looked at doing this championship but couldn't get enthused with doing 3 runs a day at 45 seconds long ..!!!
 
It's also a social scene and quite clicky, and when I enquired I also got the impression that they weren't keen to have my (High spec) car in the championship ! and besides I jumped at the chance to have a total of 75 minutes in the saddle with Endurance racing (some races are even 3 hours) and a very open set of regulations, because all the classic race series like CSCC Future classics etc..wouldn't allow a 924 to race with a 3.0 block ...
 
Getting back to your assumption AA gear must be good, your claims it must be are on a Racing application.
 
It never fails to frustrate me why some people think this is, or can be the same as something used on the road!!  
 
There's only one objective (For some!) in Racing to win, so if you can gain a tenth of a second you'll take it! If the car uses  the wrong offset wheels
the issues with this are accepted! as should be the issues with running a system like AA supply on the road. I'm not saying it doesn't run or work, but Jon Mitchell
mentioned he's taken a system off a car, and I also saw a car yesterday (up north) that's having the same thing done! 
 
I don't suspect for one second that a standalone system can and does extract the maximum from a motor when raced, and the faff and dyno time and costs etc..
are well worth it, but my take is why did my Stock stuff perform not just very well, but really well and in comparison to something that people think (From hearsay and marketing hype / pub talk etc..) that it's amazingly far superior to the OE Bosch stuff for ROAD use. 
 
It could be ~? but where's an decent explanation ? instead of slanderous personal insults..
 
As I said it's that good I've no need to change it for now, even in a racing application of which the 924 2.7's performance, (not to mention the 2 rusty drivers in their 40's) has come on leaps and bounds. It 's only done 3 race meetings so far and only finished 1 ! Due to a slipping clutch (One cover spring sheared + the heatsoak from a 3 min pitstop fried the pressure plate) and this year an overheating problem (An airlock in the water system) but it has and is in the top 5 in class from 18 last time out against modern machinery.
 
 
You lot of wannabe racers should be pleased that an old transaxle of the first gen (24) is kicking butt against E36 Beemer coupes / compact's, Mini's, Mx5's, & Clio's etc...!! 
 
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Re: Augment Automotive. 2019/06/11 23:48:54 (permalink)
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Getting back to your assumption AA gear must be good, your claims it must be are on a Racing application.
 
It never fails to frustrate me why some people think this is, or can be the same as something used on the road!!  
 

It was however designed for road use, it just happens to work well in this racing application. It could be argued however that mapping just for wide open throttle use is easier than mapping for a wide range of uses, such as cold starting in mid winter or hot starting and driving a fully loaded car in mid summer. The fact that some have been removed may be down to the person removing it not being able to get the best from it and or having another product to sell - If there are some removed and going cheap I would be very interested in some experimentation! 
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Re: Augment Automotive. 2019/06/12 10:45:54 (permalink)
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..... The fact that some have been removed may be down to the person removing it not being able to get the best from it and or having another product to sell ...



I think there is also more of a move to put 944's back to standard "collectable" trim than to hot rod them these days.
 
As hot hatches get hotter and hotter, Boxsters get cheaper, and even family saloons provide an impressive turn of speed, the venerable 944 is perhaps no longer the best starting point if you want to go fast.  

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Re: Augment Automotive. 2019/06/12 11:01:40 (permalink)
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..... The fact that some have been removed may be down to the person removing it not being able to get the best from it and or having another product to sell ...

I think there is also more of a move to put 944's back to standard "collectable" trim than to hot rod them these days.
As hot hatches get hotter and hotter, Boxsters get cheaper, and even family saloons provide an impressive turn of speed, the venerable 944 is perhaps no longer the best starting point if you want to go fast.  



 
I think the percentage of owners who want and do modify 24's / 44's and 68's is quite small John maybe 15% ? ? 
I don't think this Transaxle has ever been known for being a hatch beater, but more a car that's easy and flattering to drive because it's competent build, the weight distribution and torquey engines almost similar to Turbo Diesel's ! 
 
The interpretation of "If you want to go fast" is very varied, there's lots of car's that do this in a straight line but not round corners especially your big lardy
BMW's with 3.0 Diesels! In my 1.5 years cruising the streets looking for competition the most amount of trouble I had in a straight line was with Turbo Diesels and in the corners was poxy Mx5's, Clio's and Civic Type R's! It was always best to play to the best strengths of the transaxle (Corners and braking stability) and hence I'd never attempt to outrun something in the wrong environment EG: On a Motorway against something with twice + the torque (depending if a round about was coming up!) or a scratty light hatch in the twisties.
 
The Poor mans Porsche as it's had such a label (which is probably now fading as they look so cool and retro) is far better than the reputation ever suggested
as it's a very good all-rounder and drives and feels like nothing else ever made. This is the appeal but your right if you want a hot hatch buy a 200+bhp Fiesta!


 

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Re: Augment Automotive. 2019/06/12 21:15:01 (permalink)
Interesting course this discussion is taking...I'll just say that fast diesels or hot hatches on any road don't bother me...in fact nothing of any type has bothered me since putting the old girl back on the road more than 4 years ago, a few have tried....:)
 
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Re: Augment Automotive. 2019/06/12 22:53:12 (permalink)
But you have what some would class as a hidden advantage (smiley face)
 
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Re: Augment Automotive. 2019/06/12 22:53:23 (permalink)
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Interesting course this discussion is taking...I'll just say that fast diesels or hot hatches on any road don't bother me...in fact nothing of any type has bothered me since putting the old girl back on the road more than 4 years ago, a few have tried....:)
 
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Re: Augment Automotive. 2019/06/13 08:50:04 (permalink)
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Interesting course this discussion is taking...I'll just say that fast diesels or hot hatches on any road don't bother me...in fact nothing of any type has bothered me since putting the old girl back on the road more than 4 years ago, a few have tried....:)
 
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Sometimes Pete, I wonder if you've had too many sherbets....




LOL. 300+ BHP and a relatively light car is going to have some advantages. However, having chased a Boxster S around Bands Indy in a similarly disposed Turbo I would suggest gobs of power (especially in the way 300 bhp old school turbo power arrives) isn't necessarily the tool for every occasion. And you have to consider how much it costs to develop that sort of power from a 944.

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Re: Augment Automotive. 2019/06/13 11:26:01 (permalink)
Who only has 300bhp...not I....:)

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Re: Augment Automotive. 2019/06/13 16:37:27 (permalink)
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Interesting course this discussion is taking...I'll just say that fast diesels or hot hatches on any road don't bother me...in fact nothing of any type has bothered me since putting the old girl back on the road more than 4 years ago, a few have tried....:)
Pete



 
Yes but if was unfairly put on a track against an Mx5 with less than 200bhp, you'd not get anywhere near it, so you car must be on public roads I'm sure a missile in a straight line? 
 
It's maybe 285bhp per ton ? but without a race prepared chassis / Suspension etc..it'll not be up to much on a circuit but on a british dual carriageway in 3rd from 60mph when accosted by a Civic yep it'll be a ripper.
 
This is by no means me having a crack but I'd be more than interested for you (or anyone) with twice the power as my old girl to meet up and circulate at a circuit on a track day, it would be a great comparison but unfair really on my part as it's a Full race car, but then you'd think not a fair match if yours has twice the bhp / torque..?
 
It's all about power to weight and then suspension design / stiffness / set-up and geometry.
 
In the race series I'm in there's a GT4 Cayman and Beemer M4's  with 450bhp but they weight 1500kg's so they are in the 300bhp per ton (maximum) class, this year at Donington the BMW M4 Winner (of the 2 hour race) lapped best at 1M 44 secs the quickest class B (240bhp per ton) a Civic Type R 1m 48 and Class C (180bhp per ton) an Mx5 1m 53. 
 
With Respect Pete your car in it's current road car guise wouldn't be able to keep up with any of these boys on a Race circuit, not even the MX5 ! but on the road
on a straight....a total different ballgame! 
 
Some people like straights, some like corners....
 

 

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Re: Augment Automotive. 2019/06/13 18:19:30 (permalink)
Well, I'll be the first to admit that my car's not set for the track, it does have uprated Koni adjustables all round plus some powerflex bushes and that's good enough for how I drive. My car will never see a track, I cherish it too much and although I do drive fast, both on straights and corners I'd never push the car anywhere near it's or my limit, you just can't do that and still be safe on the road...
Each to their own.....have fun on the track sir....

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Re: Augment Automotive. 2019/06/13 20:33:46 (permalink)
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Well, I'll be the first to admit that my car's not set for the track, it does have uprated Koni adjustables all round plus some powerflex bushes and that's good enough for how I drive. My car will never see a track, I cherish it too much and although I do drive fast, both on straights and corners I'd never push the car anywhere near it's or my limit, you just can't do that and still be safe on the road...
Each to their own.....have fun on the track sir....




That's a refreshing change of answer that I'm used to from some of this forum, Well done Pete Horses for courses is spot on ! 
 
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