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2019/05/20 17:58:14 (permalink)

Sad day coming - time to pass Ferdie on :(

Well, after around 17 years of ownership the time has finally come to pass Ferdie on to a new owner.
 
He has been part of the family for so long that it is going to be huge wrench, and a very sad day when he leaves home, but another car is on the way and I just don’t have the garage space.
 
I do have a couple of other dilemmas though.
 
First, he is a very rare car and I know he would be worth more now if I had kept him completely standard. I could put him back to various levels of standard as I have kept all the bits that have been "upgraded” or changed over the years, cosmetic as well as mechanical, but then maybe someone would want him as he is with all the mods. Hence dilemma no 1. There is also a time cost to putting him back to standard and I could do with selling him in the next few weeks really as I don’t want one car to have to sit outside.
 
Secondly, although he had new sills and wings about 10 years ago, together with a full respray, there is a little bit of rust on the bottom edges of the doors and a couple of stone chips, one of which has rusted on the edge of the nsf wheel arch. I had wanted to get those attended to because it's the right thing to do, but would a purchaser rather see the imperfections so they know exactly what there is, rather than worry about what has been "touched up"? Plus, they may prefer to do a full respray so touching bits up would be a bit of a waste, and I could probably knock £1k off if I didn’t have any paint done. Again, it would take time to organise and most places seem to take weeks to fit things in.....
 
I’m not too sure what he should sell for either. I know the values of 944 Turbos have gone up a lot over the last couple of years or so, but again, originality is probably important. He is a genuine ’88 Turbo S though, in a great colour with black leather sports seats, and had a full engine rebuild only a year ago (which is really only just run in!) with new forged pistons & rods, polished and balanced crank, skimmed and balanced flywheel, head skimmed and rebuilt, ARP head studs etc, plus all new seals and bearings of course.
 
The Engine was refitted with new clutch, water pump, oil pump, radiator, header tank (lovely and white rather than dirty brown!) and belts.
 
At the same time, we also put on new discs all round, new brake pads, handbrake shoes, brake pipes and braided flexis, suspension bushes, steering column UJ, tyres all round and new wheels. (RSR 3.6 split rim copies from memory - nice whatever they are!)
 
He’s been fully undersealed and just had a new battery too.
 
On top of the performance mods below, and the Turbo S status, this must make him a special proposition for someone – but what does this make him worth? All the original parts will go with him of course.
 
Or I could put him back to the AFM and standard Turbo airbox & snorkel with an appropriate performance chip for the hybrid turbo? Or leave the MAP system in place and just refit the standard airbox & snorkel?
 
He's in for service and MOT at the moment, but I need to make any changes and then get him advertised when he comes back in a week or so :(
 
What would you do??

Graham
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    blade7
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    Re: Sad day coming - time to pass Ferdie on :( 2019/05/20 18:21:55 (permalink)
    Put it back to as near standard as possible, then get it painted. Do you still have the original forged alloys to refit? 
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    Re: Sad day coming - time to pass Ferdie on :( 2019/05/21 00:40:10 (permalink)
    Send it to stay with me for a few months in case you change your mind :)
    If it goes back to standard then you will have bits to sell off.
    The market is small so the prospective purchaser may be ok with the mods done properly -especially if they were planning mods anyway or have had a modded car in the past.
    How many miles has it done? if the mileage is low then standard is a plus, higher then mods may be considered less detrimental or a positive.
    what are you replacing it with?
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    Re: Sad day coming - time to pass Ferdie on :( 2019/05/21 10:23:35 (permalink)
    Let the dismantling commence, how much for the mirrors and front splitter .
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    Re: Sad day coming - time to pass Ferdie on :( 2019/05/21 17:25:21 (permalink)
    blade7
    Let the dismantling commence, how much for the mirrors and front splitter .



     
    That did make me chuckle, but then it hit home and I realised I had a strong emotional response to "dismantling" and I don't think I can do that .
     
    I will sell you the mirrors and the splitter to you for £25k though. You get a free 944 Turbo with it!
     
    Yes, I do have the original drop forged magnesium clubsports - they need a refurb though - still with a set of Eagle F1's on them!
     
    Tony! How's it going mate - long time no see! Mileage is relatively high I would think at 152k - although it's only done about 2k since the new engine and ancillaries above.
     
    I already have the Noble - had her about 7 years I think - and I've just fallen in love with, and bought, a 4.7 V8 Vantage.
     
    Only the one double garage for toys though...
     
    post edited by GPF - 2019/05/21 17:26:26

    Graham
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    Re: Sad day coming - time to pass Ferdie on :( 2019/05/21 18:45:02 (permalink)
    I'll give you £25k for the Noble, hold out yer hand .
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    Re: Sad day coming - time to pass Ferdie on :( 2019/05/22 10:00:44 (permalink)
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    Let the dismantling commence, how much for the mirrors and front splitter .



     
    That did make me chuckle, but then it hit home and I realised I had a strong emotional response to "dismantling" and I don't think I can do that .
     
    I will sell you the mirrors and the splitter to you for £25k though. You get a free 944 Turbo with it!
     
    Yes, I do have the original drop forged magnesium clubsports - they need a refurb though - still with a set of Eagle F1's on them!
     
    Tony! How's it going mate - long time no see! Mileage is relatively high I would think at 152k - although it's only done about 2k since the new engine and ancillaries above.
     
    I already have the Noble - had her about 7 years I think - and I've just fallen in love with, and bought, a 4.7 V8 Vantage.
     
    Only the one double garage for toys though...
     


    Hi, I saw you in the noble somewhere - lovely car - And you will need to sell the Porsche to help with the running costs on the Aston - also a lovely car!

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    Re: Sad day coming - time to pass Ferdie on :( 2019/05/22 15:04:20 (permalink)
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    Hi, I saw you in the noble somewhere - lovely car - And you will need to sell the Porsche to help with the running costs on the Aston - also a lovely car!




    He may have to sell the Noble and the Porsche....
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    Re: Sad day coming - time to pass Ferdie on :( 2019/05/22 16:18:32 (permalink)
    blade7
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    Hi, I saw you in the noble somewhere - lovely car - And you will need to sell the Porsche to help with the running costs on the Aston - also a lovely car!




    He may have to sell the Noble and the Porsche....




     
    Going by what CarIconics told the visiting Rutland group a few years back, he may have to sell the house too, to keep the Aston running.. they said it was the most expensive marque to maintain...ever! this coming from a guy who's owned/driven just about everything, his stable had many top marque cars that day including IIRC a Ferrari 288 GTO, he even had a 944 Turbo cup for us fans to look at...think that says something... good luck with the Aston though, beautiful cars...

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    Re: Sad day coming - time to pass Ferdie on :( 2019/05/22 20:34:41 (permalink)

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    Hi, I saw you in the noble somewhere - lovely car - And you will need to sell the Porsche to help with the running costs on the Aston - also a lovely car!




    He may have to sell the Noble and the Porsche....




     
    Going by what CarIconics told the visiting Rutland group a few years back, he may have to sell the house too, to keep the Aston running.. they said it was the most expensive marque to maintain...ever! this coming from a guy who's owned/driven just about everything, his stable had many top marque cars that day including IIRC a Ferrari 288 GTO, he even had a 944 Turbo cup for us fans to look at...think that says something... good luck with the Aston though, beautiful cars...




    Stop it, you’re putting me off my Sauvignon Blanc!!

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    Re: Sad day coming - time to pass Ferdie on :( 2019/05/23 01:03:43 (permalink)
    Advertising a Porsche that's tuned, sends a message to potential buyers of "It's been thrashed" an especially big no-no if it was low mileage, as the tuned bit would put off any of the collectors, who would be interested in it as a Turbo-S investment.
     
    The mileage being high (not high in my eyes) will put off any investors and therefore the Turbo-S title looses quite a bit of its potency.
     
    So does that place it as being worth just a bit more than any other 250 turbo? I think so.
     
    Does the tuned status make the value higher or lower? I don't think it will effect the value due to the miles, but I do think many of the 944 turbo buyers will be put off and think it's been thrashed.
     
    Does the bodywork need doing to get more money for it? Well it would probably add a bit to the selling price, but to be honest, usually getting the bodywork up to scratch properly, costs more than the increase in value.
     
    What would I do with it? Probably take all the non standard bits off, sell them, put it back to bone stock standard, and advertise it somewhere around £25k and wait for it to sell and stick to my guns, it might take weeks to go, it might take months, but unless you needed the money quickly, let it sit there and wait for the right person to come along, they certainly are not making any more of them.
     
    Or actually, what I would probably be tempted to do with it would be to strip it to a shell and fully restore it to 100% perfect factory fresh condition and so commit complete financial suicide in the short term, or in the long term potentially see it become really valuable with the restoration making the mileage irrelevant.

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    Re: Sad day coming - time to pass Ferdie on :( 2019/05/25 09:11:47 (permalink)
    Hi Jon,
     
    Thanks for the considered reply and advice - and everyone for the previous responses too :)
     
    I think we are all on the same page - better to put him back to standard to maximise value/saleability, and the mileage (and mods) reduce the Turbo S premium. It must still be there to an extent though - I get a kick out of him being a rare model so I'm sure others will too. Only 75 brought into the UK from memory, and only about 18 escaped having that hideous pink Studio Check interior!
     
    Lets face it though, those forged pistons and rods aren't coming back out  - and I don't think the ball bearing turbo is either. I suppose I could buy and fit a k26/8 but it would be a step backwards in technology and the Garrett Hybrid double ball bearing is just an efficient improvement if it's not exploited for it's maximum flow capability at higher boost levels. A k26/8 would let me go back to the AFM and Wayne Scofield chip if I cleaned and popped the original injectors back in though.
     
    If I take the intercooler sprayer (only ever a bit of fun!), the catch can system (not needed anyway), the 3" intake and filter off (hmmmm) and put the standard air box & snorkel back on with a K&N panel then it's all pretty standard looking under the bonnet. It would be more restrictive of course so even leaving the Garrett on I would need to take some fuel out of the WOT map (the MAP system takes care of everything else) so I think that just means going back to the ProMax chip it ran at 330bhp and putting the boost back to the same level, or actually a bit lower as the Garrett is more efficient. I could also take the Apexi out and put an mbc back in I guess.
     
    Then I can take the Wideband o2 and boost gauge out to put the interior back to stock. The Porsche club sport steering stays though!
     
    It will still be a modified Porsche, but the additions will all be sensible - full stainless steel Hayward and Scott exhaust, more efficient intercooler, modern turbo, AFM replaced with MAP system - which you can't see.
     
    People could still think it may have been thrashed, but it's a well known car and the 5" thick history file will show it's been cosseted and maintained regardless of expense - plus he has a newly rebuilt engine etc, etc - not many 944T's around with that!
     
    I could also take the front splitter off and replace the original rear spoiler I suppose, and then apart from the teardrops, remote tailgate and clean rear bumper he will pretty much look like any other 944 Turbo. I could take the teardrops off too and put the flag mirrors back but I think they are a nice upgrade and the flags can easily be swapped later.
     
    After all that he won't be Ferdie though 
     
    I wonder how much it would cost to convert the garage to a triple????? That would be less emotionally challenging!!!

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    Re: Sad day coming - time to pass Ferdie on :( 2019/05/25 11:51:56 (permalink)
    I'd see how much you love the Aston before parting with the 944. Sometimes  anticipation  is better than reality. It's within my means to buy something like a 997 turbo, but I know the opportunities  to use one hard on the road would be limited. And I fall out of love with it very quickly if it threw up a £5-10k bill. 
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    Re: Sad day coming - time to pass Ferdie on :( 2019/05/30 22:55:16 (permalink)
    GPF
    I wonder how much it would cost to convert the garage to a triple????? That would be less emotionally challenging!!!

    To be honest, that has got to be the best bit of advice on this post so far, you have answered your own question.
    You are in a privileged position that I can not see the 944 Turbo S going down in value, and it will never loose its appeal to you.
    Most importantly, you will regret selling it in the future, I absolutely guarantee it.
    In my position I get to hear that all the time from customers who once had a 944 turbo, and not just because of the increases in value, they all wish they could get back the one they sold.
    If not a garage extension, maybe a car port.... for the Aston!

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    Re: Sad day coming - time to pass Ferdie on :( 2019/05/31 13:50:48 (permalink)
    GPF
    Only 75 brought into the UK from memory, and only about 18 escaped having that hideous pink Studio Check interior!
     
    plus he has a newly rebuilt engine etc, etc - not many 944T's around with that!
     



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    Re: Sad day coming - time to pass Ferdie on :( 2019/07/01 22:32:57 (permalink)
    You need not worry about the running costs of the Vantage, they are ridiculously reliable and the engines seem to be bulletproof. I've had one for the past 5 years and have only spent about £700 a year on servicing (at Aston Martin works) 
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    Re: Sad day coming - time to pass Ferdie on :( 2019/07/02 18:42:24 (permalink)
    £700 to change the oil?
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    Re: Sad day coming - time to pass Ferdie on :( 2019/08/27 13:12:11 (permalink)
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    You need not worry about the running costs of the Vantage, they are ridiculously reliable and the engines seem to be bulletproof. I've had one for the past 5 years and have only spent about £700 a year on servicing (at Aston Martin works) 


    Hey Joss, how's it going? Sorry - missed your post.
     
    Yes, particularly the V8's but I guess everything is relative!

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    Re: Sad day coming - time to pass Ferdie on :( 2019/08/27 20:21:12 (permalink)
    That it has had a respray is that not a negative? don't people want a certain % of original paint still?
    I ask as I was going to do paint correction rather than a respray to other than my bonnet and rear quarter panel it is all original paint. Just curious, is as much original paint a possible a bonus?
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    Re: Sad day coming - time to pass Ferdie on :( 2019/10/11 12:19:23 (permalink)
    Good new paint beats original old tired or damaged paint! 
     

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