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2018/11/23 18:40:46 (permalink)

Paint preparation

Hello guys,
 
Thinking of a body restoration on Penelope 964 next year, would like to replace all rubber seals. Any experience/advice on this in the group?
 
Thanks!
Tim 
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Re: Paint preparation 2018/11/23 19:36:35 (permalink)
Looking for suggestions for someone to what, both body/paintwork and re-trim with new seals etc or something else?

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Re: Paint preparation 2018/11/23 20:54:58 (permalink)
sorry no didn't make that too clear! Just talking about the rubber seals....which ones to go for as there seem to be a few cheaper alternatives to Porsche OEM?
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Re: Paint preparation 2018/11/24 12:23:16 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby timrichardson1 2018/11/24 16:49:03
Have you done a price comparison Tim? I thought there probably wasn't that much in it. When I had a previous 964 bare metal resto I bit the bullet and went OPC new seals etc throughout - just made sense from a full body rebuild point of view. However, if I today simply needed to replace an existing door/boot seal I'd probably try an OEM one (from one of the usual Porsche online stores). At least if it didn't fit correctly I could return it. If there was only @ £20 or so difference in it though I would go for OPC parts counter replacements instead tbh.
 
Let us know how it goes.
 
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Re: Paint preparation 2018/11/25 09:55:31 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby timrichardson1 2018/11/25 18:58:06
Only use Porsche dealer seals , others I've found shrink or don't seal,  so then are not worth it as dealer prices are pretty competitive and you get 10% off as well with a PCGB card

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Re: Paint preparation 2018/11/25 10:25:30 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby timrichardson1 2018/11/25 18:58:16
There you go, Ian has tried non-OPC seals and not so brilliant. Didn't think there was much in it price wise, even though you'll pretty much get the 10% discount from all the big online stores.

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Re: Paint preparation 2018/11/25 12:11:02 (permalink)
There can be a huge difference in prices, OEM door seal is over £100 cheaper than an OPC one.

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Re: Paint preparation 2018/11/25 17:11:39 (permalink)
But to be honest it wont be the same "quality" seal , it might fit and look like right but it wont last and stay flexible over time and stay sealed etc that's why its cheaper and they are in the market to sell cheaper versions as the Original is expensive .
 
I've been caught before with Porsche " OEM quality" , as a lot of Porsche OEM parts ( particular rubbers ) do not come or have manufactures labels or boxes so just because its cheaper and says its OEM doesn't means its of the right quality . You do pay for you get in this world and "quality" is subjective .
 
One rule I have is, I need to know the manufacture and it must come fully boxed/labeled if not I'm not interested ....by cheap buy twice and cry twice , by the more expensive/correct part, buy once cry once !
 
Example I replaced the rear wheel bearings on my 964 , purchased the bearings off Design 911 as "OEM Quality " so saved a few pounds. Three years latter I had a odd rumble at the back appear , after hrs & many ears, it couldn't be the bearings so went for the diff bearings, CV jonts etc as they were still original. After the diff was rebuilt and gearbox replaced I then had the same issue, to find it was one of the rear bearings had cracked after I had spent  £2K with no resolution .
So yes I had saved £80 for two Design911 for OEM quality bearings, but to then spend £2K fixing it all again .  I replaced both rear bearings for Porsche "Expensive" bearings & not had an issue since !!
 
Lesson learnt ;-)

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Re: Paint preparation 2018/11/25 19:00:26 (permalink)
Thanks for all of the insightful feedback gents, Porsche dealer it is then. Planning around April for the work and so gives me time to build up parts slowly.  
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Re: Paint preparation 2018/11/26 07:05:06 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby timrichardson1 2018/11/27 15:16:36
I was talking OEM, not OEM Quality, 2 very different things.

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Re: Paint preparation 2019/10/25 19:54:00 (permalink)
Hi all, first ever post on PCGB....or any forum actually!
My 1993 964 C2 has enough rusty bits now to need two new front wings, and a windows out, doors off paint job.
Who would you recommend to do the job?
many thanks.
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Re: Paint preparation 2019/10/31 10:35:44 (permalink)
Xquisite Automotive performed the work on my car, the job is first class, show winning quality. They are pretty busy so waiting time may be an issue as they are concerntrating on PR work at the moment. 
 
Bodytone is doing some work for me on my Cayenne, their work is also first class!
http://www.bodytone.co.uk/
 
Jack there is the guy to speak to, they do some serious restorations and work on many aircooled Porsches and exotica. They build show cars, race cars and are very very reasonable cost wise.  Very friendly an efficient place, hence me going there. 
 
Seals, I've used OEM on mine, great fit guaranteed. 

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Re: Paint preparation 2019/10/31 14:12:56 (permalink)
Thanks very much for those recommendations...I’ll have a closer look.
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Re: Paint preparation 2019/10/31 14:24:25 (permalink)
Has anyone used Riviera run by Tyrone Fuller?
 
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